Do rapists have to pay child support?

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Unsure of the law in England & Wales, but in Scotland a woman can not rape a man as the law states there must be forced, un-consented vaginal penetration. Anything else constitutes sexual assault which carries a lighter sentence.

Indeed, the mens rea is "the intention to have intercourse with the woman without her consent" (Jamieson v. H.M. Advocate)". Interestingly, the law also states that post-op transexsuals can not be raped nor can they rape. This has it's background in history where it was thought that going off with a female and defiling her was of a greater offence to her husband or father than to the actual female. Indeed, it was stated in a court case that the consequences of rape were "the danger of impregnation - the loss of status, - the taint to her family (Sweenie case)". Though of course this is now outrageous and not supported.
The Macra or Macrae case ruled that penis penetration must occur, even if it is slight.
Barbour v. H.M. Advocate (1982) ruled that oral or anal sex does not qualify as rape. This would be covered under indecent assault legislation.



What legislation is that? I assume it's the law that was passed last year, and comes into force at some point this year though I can't remember what date. I forgot about that until you mentioned it. Haven't done any sort of criminal law in over a year...


Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 has come into play already. I forget the exact date but now sodomy (the old crime) and oral sex is classed as Rape (and so it should).

Penetration with objects other than a penis e.g. digital penetration (hand/fingers) is considered "sexual assault by penetration"


More info here - http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/acts/acts2009/asp_20090009_en_1
 
I'm sure you can work it out from there, unless you want me to draw you a picture.

Im gonna need a video of a woman raping a man, that is not staged, but is the actual real thing..

Get some extremely ugly woman with aids, tie a naked guy to the bed. And film it. (be sure to tell the guy she has aids).

Or go back in time and ask the nazi's to do that, we will then have some scientific data to settle it once and for all.
 
It really isn't considered rape here?

Seems.... odd.

Not from what I've read. Rape here has to involve penetration, and I think it requires that the penetration be done with a penis, which limits it to man on woman or man on man. No strap ons either. I think anything else is 'just' sexual assault.
 
Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 has come into play already. I forget the exact date but now sodomy (the old crime) and oral sex is classed as Rape (and so it should).

Penetration with objects other than a penis e.g. digital penetration (hand/fingers) is considered "sexual assault by penetration"


More info here - http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/acts/acts2009/asp_20090009_en_1

Analogue's being phased out everywhere, I still prefer vinyl :(
 
Not from what I've read. Rape here has to involve penetration, and I think it requires that the penetration be done with a penis, which limits it to man on woman or man on man. No strap ons either. I think anything else is 'just' sexual assault.

Again, unsure of the law in England but up in Scotland there isn't a crime of sexual assault. The person would be charged with indecent or aggravated assault.

Though the new act has now made the idea that it was to be penetration by a penis in order to be called rape obsolete and you can indeed rape with a strap on.

I wonder what would have happened if you had a severed penis and used that to penetrate the woman...

Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 has come into play already. I forget the exact date but now sodomy (the old crime) and oral sex is classed as Rape (and so it should).

Penetration with objects other than a penis e.g. digital penetration (hand/fingers) is considered "sexual assault by penetration"


More info here - http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/acts/acts2009/asp_20090009_en_1

It doesn't come into play until the 1st of December.

Citation and commencement

1. This Order may be cited as the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 (Supplemental and Consequential Provisions) Order 2010 and comes into force on 1st December 2010.
 
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This thread is a legitimate intellectual exercise.

Well, your question has been answered. Rapists do have to pay child support, and there have been cases in America in which male rape victims have had to pay child support to their rapists who became pregnant as a result of the rape.

Can we lock this now?
 
Not from what I've read. Rape here has to involve penetration, and I think it requires that the penetration be done with a penis, which limits it to man on woman or man on man. No strap ons either. I think anything else is 'just' sexual assault.

Lol, imagine the defence... "it wasn't rape, I used a strap on" :p
 
Lol, imagine the defence... "it wasn't rape, I used a strap on" :p

Well, quite. You could... um... roger a man or woman with a strap on and they'd only be able to charge you for sexual assault.

That being said, I think the maximum sentence for sexual assault is life anyway, so you'd get hammered either way.
 
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