GTX580 specs and benchmarks

GJ02 · 2 Nov 2010 at 20:00

no, it was the famous wink and smile ( i think ), and it was from gibbo

Nexus18 · 2 Nov 2010 at 20:08

Hmmm, although do they not usually start a new thread doing that wink and smile etc. when they have received stock of something?

EDIT:

Therefore it mustn't be important enough to have its own thread

mattjd · 2 Nov 2010 at 20:34

Im guessing if the rumours are true about the 580 being more power efficient and a bit cooler then that means the 570 will also be more power efficient and cooler so maybe we can see a 570X2 in the future?

Or at least a 560X2.

TaKeN · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:10

I couldn't see this being anything other than a 'paper launch' but possibly one or two cards could be on sale soon then?

Skyrocket · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:13

mattjd said:
Im guessing if the rumours are true about the 580 being more power efficient and a bit cooler then that means the 570 will also be more power efficient and cooler so maybe we can see a 570X2 in the future?

Or at least a 560X2.

580GTX 244W vs 480GTX 250W
yeah a lot more efficient.
considering that 480GTX was infact pushing over 300W

Its going to be long time before we see a X2 thats worthwhile from Nvidia and that doesnt break PCI spec

Broken Hope · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:16

One company has made a 460 x2 card, that should be pretty good.

JonnyG1982 · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:27

I dont know why some ppl a low balling the price. It will certainly be over £400. Probably £430+. Only when the 6970 comes out & depending on its price/performance will it then drop.

It would be very interesting if the 6970 has similar performance & comes out at £300 area. The gtx580 will more than likely have to drop to sub £350 to compete & as for the gtx480??? Would need to go down to sub £260 realisically (only a fool would pay more)! Although have seen them on offer for £299 before already.

mda96bjh · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:30

I for one am hoping that the GTX580 is even half decent - i went to dual crossfire 5870's for this generation & was very disappointed with the ATI driver support....

I read about so may issues with each & every release that I haven't upgraded them since 10.4a - this is still the release most users seem to roll back to....

I still run nvidia cards on 2 of my other rigs & the drivers just seem to be much leaner & cleaner.

Sayso · 2 Nov 2010 at 21:46

Most probably the same outcome as the first time round with Nvidea keeping the performance crown with single GPU cards but losing out to the x2/6990 (or what ever its called), for me and most others running a single screen at normal res its complete madness spending £350 plus on a GPU that will be superseded in 3 months when a £200 card will happily play nearly all games at Max settings.
Looking forward to bench marks though

elpedro · 2 Nov 2010 at 22:09

Sayso said:
Most probably the same outcome as the first time round with Nvidea keeping the performance crown with single GPU cards but losing out to the x2/6990 (or what ever its called), for me and most others running a single screen at normal res its complete madness spending £350 plus on a GPU that will be superseded in 3 months when a £200 card will happily play nearly all games at Max settings.
Looking forward to bench marks though

+1

drunkenmaster · 2 Nov 2010 at 22:12

mda96bjh said:
I for one am hoping that the GTX580 is even half decent - i went to dual crossfire 5870's for this generation & was very disappointed with the ATI driver support....

I read about so may issues with each & every release that I haven't upgraded them since 10.4a - this is still the release most users seem to roll back to....

I still run nvidia cards on 2 of my other rigs & the drivers just seem to be much leaner & cleaner.

Firstly remember that AMD never went out and said "get the new driver it will be eleventy billion times faster.

Most drivers fix specific problems people have, when theres one that offers something new or boost performance we're told about it. 98% of people shouldn't have been trying new drivers for months anyway, its just people love to think they'll get that 0.5% extra performance somewhere and risk all sane behaviour to attain it.

Also remember that AMD were working on radical CCC changes meaning theres a BIG driver release coming and working on radical features like MLAA, which seems to be almost offering complete scene AA for almost free, thats a simply ludicrous features.

While a new driver comes every month, there are 3-4 BIG drivers a year, sometimes less when they are working on something massive and comprehensive like probably working hard on the 6870/6970 design to improve xfire scaling which has been done dramatically and MLAA which is one of the biggest "driver" advances from either side in years.

I'm not particularly a fan of Nvidia's 2-3 times a year proper driver release, and their habit of holding back performance to pee of AMD with a new card being released, nor the 15 beta's for every new game thats a Nvidia game anyway. AMD manages to most often come along with a Nvidia game release offer one hotfix to fix most problems before the game launches, I still find it hilarious Crysis, one of the most anticipated titles for years, an Nvidia title, AMD launched a hotfix before release, Nvidia released about 10 over the week after launch.

I'm not a fan of AMD getting sucked into this once a month thing, people CAN'T help themselves but upgrade a driver, even if you TELL someone the driver is crap for 99% of people the number of people here alone who would think they are the 1% it would improve things for and install it anywhere is ridiculous, thats AMD/Nvidia users who act before they think frankly.

Anyway, this gen looks highly likely that AMD will match or win single crown performance, and dual gpu, if it offers 6870 x 2 scaling vs 5970 type scaling, Nvidia will be 70-80% behind. Though I'm not altogether convinced the 6990 will be 2x 6970 cores on a card, or even 2x 6850 cores(the later more likely though).

Seriously, the 6870's performance was improved 35%, it would be VERY strange if the 6970 doesn't manage at least 30% improvement in performance per shader vs the 5870, and by all accounts it looks like there will be a 15-20% bump in shader speed. For a 15-20% faster 580GTX to match it, the 480GTX would need to be starting off 30-35% ahead of the 5870, something its clear as day not doing. Likewise with xfire scaling going through the roof now, vastly improved, 580GTX SLI is unlikely to pull ahead of AMD cards in xfire as it has done in the past.

Broken Hope · 2 Nov 2010 at 22:17

I think AMD may take the single GPU crown this round too for the simple reason that Nvidia are rush releasing the GTX 580 before AMD get their 6970 out, you only do that if you're going to be slower. Coming out later and being slower is a lot worse than coming out sooner and being slower.

An Exception · 2 Nov 2010 at 22:56

Broken Hope said:
I think AMD may take the single GPU crown this round too for the simple reason that Nvidia are rush releasing the GTX 580 before AMD get their 6970 out, you only do that if you're going to be slower. Coming out later and being slower is a lot worse than coming out sooner and being slower.

+1 it looks like an act of desperation.

Stanners · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:00

DM you really should go into politics, I love the use of the terms radical, MLAA, Ludicrous.. Absolute quality.

I will put a few words to it.. quality reduction, been done before in various guises. But as i said before yes it is fine and good feature for free and if you like the efect all the better, but to try and tout it as the second coming is beyond a joke.

Phoenixdancer · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:18

RavenXXX2 said:
TBH I won't go back to AMD until they get a decent control panel similar to nVidia and sort out their power management issues in games, something nVidia had sorted with the release of fermi. It's not just the card I consider, it's the software and features as well.

I take it you have not used Cat 10.10a?

Oh wait no you jumped ship to Nvidia...

( I gained 20-30% performance on my 5970 and each core now actually uses all 100% of each)

blackninja · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:32

Sayso said:
Most probably the same outcome as the first time round with Nvidea keeping the performance crown with single GPU cards but losing out to the x2/6990 (or what ever its called), for me and most others running a single screen at normal res its complete madness spending £350 plus on a GPU that will be superseded in 3 months when a £200 card will happily play nearly all games at Max settings.
Looking forward to bench marks though

I must be clinically insane then with my superseded 5970 that cost me £440 nearly a year ago!!

=VTA=MANFACE · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:34

RavenXXX2 said:
Even AMD don't expect the 6970 to be faster than the 5970.

That's great news to know, that I still have an nV killer in my rig.

Mr Paul · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:36

Personally I can't stand nVidia's CP, I far prefer AMD's CCC.

TAC4U · 2 Nov 2010 at 23:48

Sayso said:
for me and most others running a single screen at normal res its complete madness spending £350 plus on a GPU that will be superseded in 3 months

Except I bought my 5970 a year ago and there is still no single faster card on the market. And AMD's own projections show the 6970 won't be faster either - only the 6990 will be faster and not fast enough to warrant an upgrade. And I've got a lot of enjoyment out of it, so the price wasn't a big concern.

Don't get me wrong, it's not for everybody. But some people just have higher standards when it comes to gaming.

neo2210 · 3 Nov 2010 at 01:38

Am I the only one that won't go near any dual chip cards or sli/xfire setups?

The problems aint worth it.

Single card/chip solution to run eyefinity in reasonable settings is what I'm waiting for.