US mid terms - what happened?
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Such a shame the USA didnt think for a minute before voting in the republican crazys, obama didnt 'fix the world' in 2 years is as far as americans think, words cannot begin to describe there stupidity.
I do worry for the state of humanity if these highly dangerous people who are in the republican party take power.
Its quite simple Obama wasn't even trying to fix the economy, he failed miserably.
Take the situation here, massive massive debt, the world saying reduce your debt , same is happening to the states.
We got rid of Labour who completely recklessly spent out of control putting that debt on us. Democrats are Labour, Obama's "fix" for the economy, was to massively increase public spending, he wanted to spend them out of the whole, and only retarded Labour types think thats right.
Republicans, ignoring all the racists bible bashing rubbish, are a party that believe in small government, reduced spending and getting out of debt, they also aren't adversed to the odd war which pushing spending through the roof.
Republicans rather than the most left wing politician in the country are what you want when you need to reduce debt.
Even the few things Obama promised that would reduce debt, like getting out of Iraq simply didn't happen anywhere near on the timescale he promised, which through most of his campaign was "we'll be out of Iraq by some date before I'm even president, because I'm that stupid", and 3-4 months before the final stretch he started being the "we'll be out of Iraq the same time McCann, Bush, Clinton all thought was a reasonable timescale and I promised otherwise".
Basically one of the biggest promises he made, for 90% of his campaign over two years, was getting out of war, stopping young troops dying, stopping the economy going to crap, he failed to deliver on basically everything he promised(anything of any note, some of the presidential "rules" you can get rid of basically as you walk into the office, none of them are very "big" things though.
Such a shame the USA didnt think for a minute before voting in the republican crazys, obama didnt 'fix the world' in 2 years is as far as americans think
I do worry for the state of humanity if these highly dangerous people who are in the republican party take power.
hehe you have seen nothing yet, wait until Sarah Palin gets elected president; then we will really be in the dog house. Maybe Nostradamus did know something we didn't
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Not even close, HE created the expectations by promising stuff he simply could never deliver. Seriously for the majority of the two year campaign he was promising he would withdraw troops BEFORE he would actually get into power, he's the most extreme left wing guy on the government, who voted far left more than any other democrat, his healthcare system as he campaigned isn't even remotely close to what he now wants to deliver, which is going to plunge the country into even further debt.
He promised healthcare, its very hard to keep up, but I now think his "plan" is in incremental stages that is supposed to be finished in like a decade. He promised to be out of Iraq basically the second he was in power, he promised a lot of stuff.
He was promising pie in the sky idiotic stuff that could never, in a million years be done. He's a bad salesman, Clinton, Bush, McCann were promising being out of Iraq by date X, so Obama just said, well I promise to do it by Date x -6 months, without any actual thought on how he could do it.
Someone else promises 500million in healthcare for the poor and he went and said, I promise 500billion, ANYONE can win an election promising rubbish you can't deliver, when you can't deliver though you tarnish the party so badly that these Tea Party idiots are getting seats.
Lying is bad, it raises expectations and means you fall flat on your face when you don't meet them. HE raised the expectations with his frankly ludicrous claims.
Yup, the Tea Party lot should be shot, the only way guys like that get in power is when the other party loses basically all credibility. The only way a guy like Ed Miliband gets in power, is when the other candidates lost all credibility by being heavily involved with the likes of Brown.
Republican ideals, smaller government, less debt, with democrats morals, (but not ludicrous over taxation of the rich which just pushes big business out and loses millions of jobs like Labour did here) IE, abortion doesn't make Jesus cry, black people aren't evil, etc, and you'd have the right party for America. Unfortunately you just have ultra left nutjobs and ultra right nutjobs, and no one in the middle anymore.
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America at this point have simply spent too much on the "drug war" it ruddy created in the first place to admit defeat at this point and legalise drugs. If it does so, how many people would have to be released from prison, how many countries does it have teams burning crops in, its an industry now, much like war is an industry, the UK/USA can't afford to shut down industrys as it will mean job losses, its a joke that we've turned war, killing into money making/economically supporting industrys now.
lmao. have you been living in a bubble the last 30 years. In the immortal words of Reagan when asked about his solution to the deficit "it's big enough to take care of itself"
Democrats (Bill Clinton) reduced the deficit during his mandate. Then junior came along and it got out of control once again. it was republicans who increased the size of government during the GW era and the ones who initiated the bank bailout. Obama just stepped in at the wrong time. He is no messiah but hardly the root of the problem
I totally disagree with your assessment of "not even close". Irrespective of who created the expectations, the people believed the hype and created their own expectations that he could deliver change rapidly. So my original point stands.
I completely agree. The mid-term elections could only end in a disappointing result for Obama and the Democrats, as he could never live up to the expectations that people had when he was elected. This result is not at all surprising, but disappointing, nonetheless. I hope the next two years don't become a legislative gridlock in the United States.
lmao. have you been living in a bubble the last 30 years. In the immortal words of Reagan when asked about his solution to the deficit "it's big enough to take care of itself"
Clinton was the best president america has had in decades. It's a shame all of the sex scandle marred what was otherwise a very impressive run (particularly economically).
Bush couldn't even speak he was so thick.
Anyway, isn't this just more proof that my currently held belief of "No politicians are worth a damn"?
Was there ever a politician that was genuinely kind, caring about the masses and really competant at running their country? As in, everyone thought he/she was great.
Anyway, isn't this just more proof that my currently held belief of "No politicians are worth a damn"?
Was there ever a politician that was genuinely kind, caring about the masses and really competant at running their country? As in, everyone thought he/she was great.
don't mean to contradict all you say. so please don't take it personally. but the war on drugs has created more problems than it has solved, especially with latin americans, whose general population isn't a big fan of the US, not to mention that drug use/dealing has increased.
if you were to legalize then it would create jobs (except at the DEA/police, but some would be compensated by the FDA which would need more staff to regulate, etc...). i.e. phillip morris would plant pot in their tobacco fields, it would create new legitimate business opportunities, new jobs and the governement would get more revenue from taxes. not to mention that you would wipe out most drug related crimes pretty effectively and save money from having a significant reduction in the overpopulated prisons (off the top of my head i think about 3/4 of the US prison population is drug related)
if you don't believe me just look how effective legalizing can be. just look at alcohol prohibition in the 30's. history can teach us lessons.
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In practice, you're completely wrong.
For example, look at the national debt at the beginning and end of Ronald Reagan's presidency.
09/30/1981 - 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1988 - 2,602,337,712,041.16
Source
Slightly off-topic (or maybe not! 
) but IF Obama recovers nicely, wins the election for his second term and then obviously steps down 4 years after that - can he then go for the presidency again 4 years later??
I know you are limited to 2 terms in office in one go but is there anything that says he cant go for it again 4 years later since he's still one of the youngest presidents out there??
Just something I've always wondered.....
StevieP
) but IF Obama recovers nicely, wins the election for his second term and then obviously steps down 4 years after that - can he then go for the presidency again 4 years later??I know you are limited to 2 terms in office in one go but is there anything that says he cant go for it again 4 years later since he's still one of the youngest presidents out there??
Just something I've always wondered.....
StevieP
Slightly off-topic (or maybe not!
I know you are limited to 2 terms in office in one go but is there anything that says he cant go for it again 4 years later since he's still one of the youngest presidents out there??
Just something I've always wondered.....
StevieP
Nope not possible...if that was the case then Clinton would probably be the President.
Its a shame that Obama has suffered so badly in the mid terms but taking over from Bush was never going to be an easy job...id hate to see Palin become President...but then it might be a good thing as it will make the Americans realise just how messed up their country is.
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You have to remember that America is a much younger country than the UK and so we must forgive them any mistakes they make as they're just children...
Seriously though Obama has got the same problem David Cameron has, in so much as they both have to deal with the rubbish left behind by the previous parties.
It's to be expected that the Americans will have a backlash and it has happened before.
Bring back Clinton.
Seriously though Obama has got the same problem David Cameron has, in so much as they both have to deal with the rubbish left behind by the previous parties.
It's to be expected that the Americans will have a backlash and it has happened before.
Bring back Clinton.
Yeah live, he's actually incredibly unhicklike.