Rioting in London?

Inquisitor said:
When did I suggest they wouldn't want to work in their subject? The problem is that some degrees aren't as valuable as others. A maths graduate has far, far better employment prospects than an English graduate, for example, so a maths degree is more valuable to the individual, but both are equally valuable to society.

These changes encourage people only to pick degrees that will lead to personal financial benefits.
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So the Maths degree should have the more expensive tuition fee because it's more valuable than an English degree.
 
The country can't afford to give time-wasters a free ride. The cost of education now falls with the student. They have to view it as an investment, meaning they have to ask themselves: "is this worthwhile?". This way, students can decide for themselves if their course is worthwhile, if it's a good use of their time or not.

That leads us to the alternative, which may be a problem, as there's already too much unemployment.
 
Klo said:
An example of a 'waste of subject' is doing a form of Art degree if you are male. Statistically you will be earning less than if you left education after A-level.
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Right, because male arts experts are useless to society, and so their degrees are a waste of time to everyone. I mean, we may as well just lay off all of the male historians, philosophers, and other thinkers since they're a waste of money, right?
 
Inquisitor said:
When did I suggest they wouldn't want to work in their subject? The problem is that some degrees aren't as valuable as others. A maths graduate has far, far better employment prospects than an English graduate, for example, so a maths degree is more valuable to the individual, but both are equally valuable to society.

These changes encourage people only to pick degrees that will lead to personal financial benefits.



You're making the assumption that "good use" of a degree equates to a high-paying job.
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No, I'm not saying that the only good us is a high paying job, but in the vast majority of cases, a good use of a good degree will land you a high-paying job.

You said about people who "aren't doing a degree purely so that they can get a good job afterwards?", if they're not doing that, then they're most likely not working in that subject?
 
bloodiedathame said:
I'm inclined to agree with this, a vast majority of rich/well off people do seem to go for a 3 year pub crawl...
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higher fees wont stop them

why not just have less places and entrance exams and tests like in the states ?

then the best get to go to uni instead of the more well off

people can keep going on about ''well get loans'' but many people cant even afford that with current fees nevermind with them doubled
 
billysielu said:
That leads us to the alternative, which may be a problem, as there's already too much unemployment.
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To be honest, I think apprenticeships really need to be pushed for those who don't want to pursue the highly academic route. For some reason, going to uni seems to be the "done thing" nowadays. Pursuing a career as a plumber, electrician, mechanic etc is just as valid (and possibly has more earning potential in some cases).

I didn't bother with uni, and I'm glad I didn't - I'm earning more than all but one of my friends who did.
 
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The amount of clueless, well off, suburban dwelling little sheltered kids on this forum never ceases to surprise me.

And more to the point - The rioting was not part of the planned protest. The NUS organised it as a peaceful one. However, there are always a few that take it too far and/or go there purely to start trouble. That being said, I don't find their actions entirely unsurprising - people should be angry about this, a lot more than they are. It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
 
Just the usual student "campaign" imo, seems that every single year for the last 25 years I've seen some sort of "against the authorities" student campaign about something or other.

Once they have decades of experience in economics and a full and qualified understanding of the finances of a nation then I might listen to them more, until then I will view them as nothing more than the usual anti-establishment , spoiling for a fight, protest clothing wearing young folks.
 
JamesU2005 said:
What Kay Burley?
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:D.


All the students they've interviewed have annoyed me intensely! The one that compared themselves with the Suffragettes, just grrr.

One of the girls was going on about how the people here are only there to cause trouble, and asking the cameraman to go film the peaceful protestors along the street..... but didn't explain why she was there!
 
MotherMayI said:
It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
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NO IT ISN'T

Stop spreading FUD, you pig-ignorant baboon.

Regardless of whether you are rich or poor you can still go to University and not have to pay a penny until after you graduate, and even then it is only a small piece of your income spread over many years.

You pay nothing to attend University, only once you leave and start earning enough.
 
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Anyone checked to see if the Window Kickers are wearing Police Standard Issue Boots? Or did they learn a lesson from Canada? ;)
 
I think the day of protesting is pointless.
Cuts must be made.
If I were the government I would say:

'Uni can be free if you now pay to see your GP'

They would soon stop protesting against fees.
I still firmly believe that the loan repayment should be 20% over £10,000.
It is a LOAN, the money is NOT yours and whether you wish to repay it or not has nothing to do with it!
 
Rubbish

MotherMayI said:
The amount of clueless, well off, suburban dwelling little sheltered kids on this forum never ceases to surprise me.

And more to the point - The rioting was not part of the planned protest. The NUS organised it as a peaceful one. However, there are always a few that take it too far and/or go there purely to start trouble. That being said, I don't find their actions entirely unsurprising - people should be angry about this, a lot more than they are. It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
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It prevents no-one from attending higher education. Anyone that wants to go can still go.
 
Inquisitor said:
Right, because male arts experts are useless to society, and so their degrees are a waste of time to everyone. I mean, we may as well just lay off all of the male historians, philosophers, and other thinkers since they're a waste of money, right?
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Economically, yes. Or at least stop allowing men to take the course, and persuade females to make up the numbers.
 
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