Rioting in London?

MotherMayI said:
The amount of clueless, well off, suburban dwelling little sheltered kids on this forum never ceases to surprise me.

And more to the point - The rioting was not part of the planned protest. The NUS organised it as a peaceful one. However, there are always a few that take it too far and/or go there purely to start trouble. That being said, I don't find their actions entirely unsurprising - people should be angry about this, a lot more than they are. It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
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You're clueless. The NUS couldn't organize the proverbial booze up in a brewery. They are just a merry band of squabbling leftie kids that are high on some sense of power. Why are the Scottish ones there, if not for a riot?
Sounds like a lot of them are leaving, must be time for a pot noodle.
 
Aww poor middle class diddums. Get a job.

Normally I'd be on the side of the protesters when it comes to a good old riot. However, students... Send in the tear gear lobbing, water cannon spraying, rubber bullet firing police medics.

Live BBC update: A firework has just gone off. :eek: Fight the power!
 
Basically, a lot of people are too thick in general to actually have a reason behind their actions. We feel that it is our automatic right to go to university really cheaply and let the government cover the real cost.

We had a system that meant that there were a number of universities that were all of a good standard and were institutions of learning.

Suddenly we have every institute etc becoming a university, gaining funding from the government and claiming to be teaching to a degree level.

Fast forward a few years and we have a target of 50% of youngsters going to university. Ignore the obvious facts that nowhere near 50% of our jobs require a degree and that the majority of universities/courses are now mickey mouse and we find ourselves moving towards the present.

The economy is in a state and we have more and more people going to university by default along with those that think its a good idea because jobs are hard to find and you have record numbers attending university.

We are dropping in the standards rankings due to underfunding for the universities that are worth having. The money they should be receiving is being shared around all the other unis that are a crock of ****.

Funding for degrees is a worthwhile expenditure as long as all involved are benefitting and most are ultimately paying a higher rate of tax due to their extended education. Most people are not getting a better job as a result of their degree and are either unemployed with an overinflated sense of their worth and qualifications, or get a job that doesnt even require a degree.

Anyone who says that degrees are worthless is talking ****. Walk up to most jobs that do not require a specific degree and tell them you graduated with a first from a respected university and they will take note.

Walk in there with a 3rd from some backwater uni and they couldnt care less as it shows nothing other than the fact that you are at least 21 (probably).

Pretty sick of the culture of entitlement we are building in this country. Some people need to be told some home truths about their worth and value to society.
 
MotherMayI said:
It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
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How? You don't pay anything up front and you don't pay anything back until you start earning over £20k.
 
MotherMayI said:
The amount of clueless, well off, suburban dwelling little sheltered kids on this forum never ceases to surprise me.

And more to the point - The rioting was not part of the planned protest. The NUS organised it as a peaceful one. However, there are always a few that take it too far and/or go there purely to start trouble. That being said, I don't find their actions entirely unsurprising - people should be angry about this, a lot more than they are. It is effectively cutting out a generation, or multiple, of lower income families from higher education. That should anger everyone, not just those who went to the protest today.
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I don't figure how you think raised fees cuts off income in the way you have described. Everyone is entitled to a tuition fee loan and those from lower income households can still apply for additional grants.

The individual debt is larger, but will just mean graduates will be paying it off for longer...
 
To be honest I almost took advantage of the cheap ride down to London to do some shopping...but thought better of it and decided to do some study instead. Coming back on the protest bus loaded with shopping may not have gone down too well. :)
 
AtticusFinch said:
It prevents no-one from attending higher education. Anyone that wants to go can still go.
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Yeah, because the extortionate fees are surely going to appeal to the lower earning families as much as higher earners :rolleyes:

Ahleckz, what the hell are you on about? The NUS organised the protest. That is fact. They also said they are "disgusted" at the violence that went on. That is also fact.

And people need to keep in mind that the protests arent just over university fees, but over university cuts as well. Faculties are being cut all over the country, teaching standards are falling, and fees are rising. That is worthy of a protest in itself.

Seems to be a lot of people who just seem to see anyone demonstrating and think "LOL MORONS AGAINST AUTHORITY", regardless of the situation. Sticking up for what you believe in and demonstrating does not make you a hippy, or anything else. If you don't, it makes you an idiot.
 
MotherMayI said:
Yeah, because the extortionate fees are surely going to appeal to the lower earning families as much as higher earners :rolleyes:
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Why do you think they are "extortionate"?

Why will someone from a poor background be any more put off from someone from a rich background? If they both walk out with the same degree, they'll roughly have the same job prospects, they'll be earning roughly the same amount, they'll be paying back the same amount.

Stop being ignorant, stop spreading FUD.
 
MotherMayI said:
Ahleckz, what the hell are you on about? The NUS organised the protest. That is fact. They also said they are "disgusted" at the violence that went on. That is also fact.

And people need to keep in mind that the protests arent just over university fees, but over university cuts as well. Faculties are being cut all over the country, teaching standards are falling, and fees are rising. That is worthy of a protest in itself.

Seems to be a lot of people who just seem to see anyone demonstrating and think "LOL MORONS AGAINST AUTHORITY", regardless of the situation. Sticking up for what you believe in and demonstrating does not make you a hippy, or anything else. If you don't, it makes you an idiot.
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I haven't seen NUS ever successfully organize something worthwhile which actually leads anywhere. They clearly haven't been very successful as a portion of people affiliated with NUS have committed various crimes which will totally overshadow their idiotic protest.

Fees aren't rising all over the country and where they are they are being done so because they need to be done!
 
MotherMayI said:
Yeah, because the extortionate fees are surely going to appeal to the lower earning families as much as higher earners :rolleyes:
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I may be wrong but the plan is to pay the majority of the fees back AFTER you graduate. How does that stop poor people going to uni?
 
MotherMayI said:
Yeah, because the extortionate fees are surely going to appeal to the lower earning families as much as higher earners :rolleyes:

Ahleckz, what the hell are you on about? The NUS organised the protest. That is fact. They also said they are "disgusted" at the violence that went on. That is also fact.

And people need to keep in mind that the protests arent just over university fees, but over university cuts as well. Faculties are being cut all over the country, teaching standards are falling, and fees are rising. That is worthy of a protest in itself.

Seems to be a lot of people who just seem to see anyone demonstrating and think "LOL MORONS AGAINST AUTHORITY", regardless of the situation. Sticking up for what you believe in and demonstrating does not make you a hippy, or anything else. If you don't, it makes you an idiot.
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Funding has been cut, but fees will rise to balance the discrepancy... that's business.

Also, it shouldn't put off poorer students because as someone pointed out in the Speakers Corner thread, the loan repayment in a £15k job will be about £100 a month... I know people that spend this on their sodding phone bill, or on a boozy weekend.

Wake up.
 
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