Rioting in London?

[PermaBanned]

Beleiving something and your subsequent actions are two different things.

I disagree, if that belief is that through these actions you can achieve something.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

I wonder how many of the baying mob will be voting Tory in a few years time ?

 

[[TW]Fox]

I disagree, if that belief is that through these actions you can achieve something.

Anyone who beleives that climbing on the roof of a public building will cause a u-turn in government policy is deluded.

 

[LordSplodge]

EDIT i find it ironic that some do not care about fellow citizens who want an education without a big debt (maybe one of those potential students could have found the cure to AIDS or solved potential energy crisis) but are ok with bailing out banks which would not hesitate to throw you out in the street if you were unable to make mortage payments. banks don't do any favours why should we to them. if some irresponsible banks fail, then let them. other banks will just buy them out at discount rates, not all banks had unsound balance sheets.

Did you have a university education because if you did then you need to get your money back. Even primary school children know sentences start with Capital letters...

What the he'll does university education have to do with the cure for AIDS? Oh if only Albert Einstein had gin to university then he may have been able to complete his theory... Oh hang on.

 

[PermaBanned]

Anyone who beleives that climbing on the roof of a public building will cause a u-turn in government policy is deluded in my opinion.

Say what you will, if it gets people's attention and raises awareness of your cause then what's actually wrong with it? If the Tories didn't want to be robbed of a small amount of damage money, which they will probably get payed for them anyway, then they shouldn't have tried to rob the public of their education, jobs, forests, healthcare and a number of other things, should they?

 

[jp_bl_68]

Say what you will, if it gets people's attention and raises awareness of your cause then what's actually wrong with it?

These protests/riots seem to have attracted the wrong kind of attention, if you ask me. That will do nothing to help them get what they're after and Cameron will score points by standing firm and telling them to "sod off".

 

[lunarwolf]

Did you have a university education because if you did then you need to get your money back. Even primary school children know sentences start with Capital letters...

What the he'll does university education have to do with the cure for AIDS? Oh if only Albert Einstein had gin to university then he may have been able to complete his theory... Oh hang on.

maybe check your own grammar and spelling before lecturing others

 

[steve-h]

No current University student faces ANY rise in the cost of their education.

When the changes come into effect it will still cost LESS at the point of education to attend Uni than ever before.

For the first few years I was at Uni I had to pay my fees then and there and there was NO special fees loan available for them!

These students will pay nothing, not a penny, until they earn over £21,000 a year. That's almost the average wage for this country before they even begin to pay back the cost of education.

But then they have to pay back 3* as much...

 

[[TW]Fox]

then they shouldn't have tried to rob the public of their education

The public are not being robbed of their education.

You can still go to Uni. And if you never earn a good salary, you'll never pay a penny to go, either. Good deal, huh?

 

[[TW]Fox]

But then they have to pay back 3* as much...

So what? It's a small percentage of your salary anyway. If you never pay it off it isnt that big a deal, really.

 

[Jonny69]

I heard this 'riot' earlier as I was in the area.

For the record I disagree with student fees being so high but on the other hand I recognise that a lot of degrees could be condensed down into 2 or even 1 years. And also, if you have enough time to go protesting, you ought to consider whether your degree is working you hard enough...

 

[ColdAsIce]

I can only go by the images from tv today but it looked very much to me as if Anarchists instigated the violence, you could see Anarchist symbols drawn on the glass and walls, also the anarchist red and black flag could be seen proudly on the roof :/

I think a lot of younger students probably got swepped up in the violence and quite enjoyed all the chaos. Really is a shame when these anarchists hijack peaceful protests as it ruins the whole message.

 

[fail at the internets]

 

[cheechm]

Nothing says "please lower our fees" like smashing up the government building...

 

[Hatter The Mad]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...en-who-want-the-moon-on-a-stick-201011103243/

In central London, more than 50,000 lazy, pretentious, self-absorbed protesters said it was vital for Britain's future that the cost of their education should not be allowed to eat into their handsome, white collar salaries and their capacity to pay for ****ty, new world music and holidays in the less touristy parts of Italy.

 

[Lord_Kokain]

This whole thing had to happen because weird degree courses and demand have gone out of control. Perhaps I would disagree over the up to 9000 pounds figure simply because its a 3-fold jump from what it roughly is now but most unis would surely charge less than that.

Also, some people might find this harsh, but what are students expecting to be entitled of? To cruise through bachelors, masters etc without paying a dime? The biggest argument that I kept hearing is about how poor children will suddenly find themselves locked out of higher education. If the end result of this is that more people will struggle to get the education they deserve(based on merit) then we are making the assumption that these people are pretty smart AND from poor background. There isn't a very large chunk of present day's candidate students that would fall within that criteria and even if there was, I would say that the new uni fees(which, if I'm not mistaken, will not be due until after they finish studying) are not the biggest money obstacle for these kids to succeed in life. There are other factors that can influence meritocracy and they should be tackled at an earlier stage of a child's life. For instance, its not uni fees that stop poorer kids getting into Oxford, its the preparation/knowledge that the better off kids acquired before they applied there.

On a personal level, with the amount of work I did before, during and between my degrees I would have still been able to afford to do them and not go into the red. Its not a walk in the park,I sure also missed on a lot of potential social gatherings but there is a sense of satisfaction of going through such experiences.There are also countries where, due to the standard of living, their unis are charging fees that represent even a larger part of people's yearly incomes(and asking to pay upfront!). Yet, when a person there is really determined to go to university, their families would mortgage property or take a bank loan, if necessary, in order to send them there and its this determination that acts as a natural selection between the ambitious and not so ambitious student. And ,as far as the negatives for UK students are concerned, they will see money taken off their pay if they are on 21k+ p.a...sure it's annoying but if that puts someone off to go for a degree, then he/she will not be missed!

 

[steve-h]

Nothing says "please lower our fees" like smashing up the government building...

Exactly... and the police just stood there and let a few people with their faces covered do it, and then let them get away

what a coincidence.

 

[Mojo]

The government is in it's power to reduce the number of degree courses it subsidises. There are far too many useless and contrived degree courses going at the moment.

However, remedying this by increasing the tuition fees to huge amounts is like allowing a right spacker with rich parents into Uni education, while denying a very intelligent person without the means for paying for it. It is utter monetary elitism, something that to be honest I have come to expect from the Tory party and had hoped to eliminate by supporting the Lib dems.

Shows you how messed up this country is really, doesn't it? ten years into the 21st century in a "classless" society and we vote in a party which is representative of the worst of the upper class

*edit*

For instance, its not uni fees that stop poorer kids getting into Oxford, its the preparation/knowledge that the better off kids acquired before they applied there.

Of course it is, at the moment. However, when tuition fees go up so much that only the rich can pay to send their little Darling Henry (no offense to any individual named Henry) to Oxford or Cambridge, could you say the same? At the moment I know several friends who made it to Oxford. They are are all massively intelligent, and only one of them came from an upper middle class background. Saying that these individuals would go to Oxford even had the tuition fees been tripled or more (which sounds likely for these institutions) sounds utterly naive.

 

[dante6491]

Of course it is, at the moment. However, when tuition fees go up so much that only the rich can pay to send their little Darling Henry (no offense to any individual named Henry) to Oxford or Cambridge, could you say the same? At the moment I know several friends who made it to Oxford. They are are all massively intelligent, and only one of them came from an upper middle class background. Saying that these individuals would go to Oxford even had the tuition fees been tripled or more (which sounds likely for these institutions) sounds utterly naive.

But it does not matter how much money you have. NOTHING IS PAID UP FRONT. Key point this, people will be put off by the headline figure, but if they are then they shouldn't be going to university anyway as they haven't read up about it. The poorest 30% are actually better off under this scheme as Darling Henry, as you put it, will be paying it back.

 

[Mojo]

But it does not matter how much money you have. NOTHING IS PAID UP FRONT. Key point this, people will be put off by the headline figure, but if they are then they shouldn't be going to university anyway as they haven't read up about it. The poorest 30% are actually better off under this scheme as Darling Henry, as you put it, will be paying it back.

The current amount you have to pay back is not inconsiderable. Imagine that multiplied by three. Even those who are set on University will have to take into account that paying back in installments (even small ones) they are going to be around £50,000 in debt for what may amount to the rest of their lives, and that may put many of those with backgrounds of lesser means off University. Indeed, the people who will not be put off such a number is the "darling Henry" crew, the individuals rich enough to ensure that their darling Henry is unencumbered by such debt when he finally works out which way is up and finally starts University. My argument still stands, in the fact that the amount of money required for University under the new scheme is financially elitist.