Who will ditch 580 for 6900

RavenXXX2 · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:16

kylew said:
t also hasn't got rave reviews either

GoogalyMoogaly · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:16

Flanno said:
I KNOW THAT! I'm not the one who brought up the 1000 better or 100 better.

And anyone who hadn't read up on the 6870 would have assumed it was faster then the 5870 just going by the name. The 580 is in fact faster then the 480 though not by much.

I'm not gonna read up on it, but I'm gonna assume that the ATI 9800 Pro is going to embarrass all the cards you're talking about. Who wants a 6000 series card when you can get a 9800 PRO.
Nvidia already did a 6000 series it was good at the time but these days I wouldn't bother with it.

Sorry, what were we saying about mixed up naming conventions? Nvidia did what now?

what? :confused:

EDIT: Dammit ^ANDY^ that what I was trying to say, it just took me longer to type it!

Flanno · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:17

They probably will. Does it annoy you to the point where you won't buy their cards ?

Flanno · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:18

GoogalyMoogaly said:
I'm not gonna read up on it, but I'm gonna assume that the ATI 9800 Pro is going to embarrass all the cards you're talking about. Who wants a 6000 series card when you can get a 9800 PRO.
Nvidia already did a 6000 series it was good at the time but these days I wouldn't bother with it.

Sorry, what were we saying about mixed up naming conventions? Nvidia did what now?

what?

I really don't know what your on about :confused:

easyrider · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:19

People with 5870's upgrading to 6870's would have looked at the benchies.

People like me upgrading from a 5670

and getting a gaming card for the winter months bought a 6870 and got the same performance as 5870 for less money. I knew exactly what I was buying on release day.

Flanno · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:19

RavenXXX2 said:

TinyTomLogan on Overclock3d.net gave it a rave review too

Flanno · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:20

easyrider said:
People with 5870's upgrading to 6870's would have looked at the benchies.

People like me upgrading from a 5670 and getting a gaming card for the winter months bought a 6870 and got the same performance as 5870 for less money

2 of my brother's friends bought them blind, assuming they were faster then their 5870's.

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:22

kylew said:
Well people care if it's tweaked or not, because "or not" would be a 480 being rebranded to 580, which is borderline what they did. It also hasn't got rave reviews either, most of them say it's a good card in its own right but isn't anything special compared to the 480. It's nothing but a GTX485.

The way I understand it (and apologies if I'm wrong) is that the 580 is a direct replacement for the 480 in the same way they the 9800 replaced the 8800 - I don't think it was ever being sold as an upgrade or as a bigger brother so in that respect a few tweaks are all that was needed.

Stanners · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:26

kylew said:
So nVidia's naming you call a strategy, but call AMD's one smoke and mirrors? I don't get that.

What I'm struggling to understand is how people are getting so "confused" by the 6870's name when they know full well (As AMD said themselves) that they're renaming the line of cards for their AMD brand of graphics cards. The 6900s are the 5800 replacements, and they'll likely stick with this naming scheme up until the 9 series, where they'll likely change it again rather than go to "10" series.

Jeeeeeeeesus, It is all smoke and mirrors... It is marketing by both companies, stop trying to turn everything in to ATI/Nvidia tit for tat.

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:26

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Dammit ^ANDY^ that what I was trying to say, it just took me longer to type it!

Lol

kylew · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:26

^Andy^ said:
The way I understand it (and apologies if I'm wrong) is that the 580 is a direct replacement for the 480 in the same way they the 9800 replaced the 8800 - I don't think it was ever being sold as an upgrade or as a bigger brother so in that respect a few tweaks are all that was needed.

But a 280 was directly replaced with a 285, and the 285 had been through a die shrink.

kylew · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:27

Stanners said:
Jeeeeeeeesus, It is all smoke and mirrors... It is marketing by both companies, stop trying to turn everything in to ATI/Nvidia tit for tat.

Okay, so had they released the 6900s at the same time, would you still be claiming smoke and mirrors? :confused:

They've told people the 6900s are the 5800s replacements, I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp?

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:27

Stanners said:
Jeeeeeeeesus, It is all smoke and mirrors... It is marketing by both companies, stop trying to turn everything in to ATI/Nvidia tit for tat.

Agree 100% - time to put perfomance rating stickers on the box's for current operating systems

GoogalyMoogaly · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:27

Flanno said:
I really don't know what your on about

Basically, why do people care about the numbering? Saying it's confusing calling something a 6970 when it's the new version of the 5870 or a 580 should be a 485. But people aren't complaining about there already being an ATI 9000 series. Nobody's assuming that's better because it has a bigger number (are you?).

People will figure it out, it's not that complicated. If you don't read up on something before you buy it and base your decision purely on the size of the number in the products name you're asking for trouble.

Have the ATI and Nvidia 'teams' really got so little else to discuss that they have to complain about naming conventions?

Stanners · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:28

^Andy^ said:
Agree 100% - time to put perfomance rating stickers on the box's for current operating systems

Hehe, they could use the powerful tool that is the windows 7 rating system

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:29

kylew said:
But a 280 was directly replaced with a 285, and the 285 had been through a die shrink.

Yup and the 260 was replaced with another 260 with 216 cores - thats not confusing at all. :confused:

Rroff · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:30

I know plenty of people who have been confused by the 6000 series naming convention and some of them aren't complete idiots either.

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:31

Stanners said:
Hehe, they could use the powerful tool that is the windows 7 rating system

They could use benchmarkscores - oh hang on we know both sides can fiddle those with driver tweaks - screw it lets do it on price - if it costs more its better

^Andy^ · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:31

Rroff said:
I know plenty of people who have been confused by the 6000 series naming convention and some of them aren't complete idiots either.

Just halfwits? Sorry couldn't resist!

Stanners · 25 Nov 2010 at 23:39

kylew said:
Okay, so had they released the 6900s at the same time, would you still be claiming smoke and mirrors? They've told people the 6900s are the 5800s replacements, I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp?

Are you like this on purpose ?

Right i shall explain this scenario.

Dave has had a 5870 for a year now, likes his gaming but does not spend his life on the internet..He also likes to go out interacting with the opposite sex and things like that.
Just by chance he is checking Ocuk one night to buy some media to burn his norp to when he sees a banner for the new 6870.
Dave has had a bit of overtime in this month and thinks i am going to treat myself to this new GFX card as the banner states the new 68** series, so he buys a 6870 thinking he is getting an upgrade.

Bosh, marketing perfection.