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Joshy said:
You're missing the point.

M cars (The proper M Cars, not that X6M junk) have always been known for their relatively high revving Naturally aspirated engines. It's something of a selling point of the cars and it has been for the past 32 years. Changing that tried and test recipe all of a sudden is going to cause a stir amongst enthusiasts espically when the only creditable reason for the change is the environment/CO2 figures.
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Oh no i totally get the point, but i dont agree with it

My opinion is that people babble on about cylinders and natural aspiration but to me the importance lies with the car being a driving machine.
If you look at some of the older M-cars such as the e30, e36 and e46 3 series, you have a 4 cylinder and 2 6 cylinders in that lot, but the cars them selves are very well regarded, Hey the E30 even reaches true classic status, all that from a 4 cylinder.
Basically i think that those M 'enthusiasts' as they call themselves are too focused on M cars being naturally aspirated and a lot of the time say things like " omg only X clyinders wtf ?? "when all an M car needs to be in 'The Ultimate Driving Machine', personally thats what i think is important.

So if its got a 4.4 V8 thats hardly a bad thing, because realistically 4.4 is big, and when you whack two turbos on it i imagine its pretty fun as well does any of this matter in the realms of the car being the ultimate driving machine? No (personally) its still going to sound MEAN as hell either way
 
[TW]Fox;17925798 said:
I think you need to go and drive a BMW Twin Turbo engine - because linear they very much are. They barely even feel turbocharged.
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If this is the case then us arm chair Clarksons won't have much to moan about when they hit show rooms.

Personally I haven't got much of a problem with them going F/I, but what does get me is why some people seem to be surprised when others aren't too keen to embrace the idea. When somebody makes some of the finest N/A engines for the last 32 years suddenly switches side and goes F/I it is going to cause a bit of a stir.
 
Well, you say suddenly switches sides, the first M car, the M1 was turbocharged when they took it racing.

edit - I suspect Fox is talking about a different car but it's the same point :p
 
Joshy said:
I can't say how that's terribly relevant in a thread discussing the M Car "ethos"?
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You can't see how the fact turbocharged performance BMW's are older than you is relevent to a discussion about how horrible it is that BMW have apparently abandoned their roots and moved to turbo?
 
[TW]Fox;17926099 said:
You can't see how the fact turbocharged performance BMW's are older than you is relevent to a discussion about how horrible it is that BMW have apparently abandoned their roots and moved to turbo?
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We're talking about "M Cars" here. It the context I just don't see bringing up the 2002 Turbo that relevant
 
Joshy said:
We're talking about "M Cars" here. It the context I just don't see bringing up the 2002 Turbo that relevant
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I'm talking about the BMW Turbo, a very rare very limited run car which spawned the design ethos behind the first M car - the M1.

It was turbocharged, and pre-dated the 2002 Ti. It was the beginning of M road cars, effectively. And it had a turbo.
 
mjt said:
Lies. Look at an F10 M Sport.

Anyway, when you're inside, the F10 is about a billionty times better than the E60.
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Whilst I agree on the interior, the exterior is a different matter. It is too soft, not sufficiently striking, and doesn't do anything for me. Looks too much like the X6, which is horrendous.
 
The_Abyss said:
Whilst I agree on the interior, the exterior is a different matter. It is too soft, not sufficiently striking, and doesn't do anything for me.
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But thats the thing. It's an executive saloon. It isn't a sports car - executive saloons are supposed to be soft and not 'striking'.
 
[TW]Fox;17929013 said:
But thats the thing. It's an executive saloon. It isn't a sports car - executive saloons are supposed to be soft and not 'striking'.
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Bonnet bulges, wing vents and big wheels are quite striking;)
 
The only reason the E60 M5 had a V10 was because of the BMW F1 team, who were using V10s at the time..
 
Most people don't have very long memories and the E60 was a big departure from the E39 and from the other cars in the range at that time. You didn't have to look twice to recognise one. Some didn't like that, others did.

The F10 is a good looking car. Whilst it's not dissimilar to the 3 and 7 series at the moment and you'd probably take more than a glance on the motorway to work out which BMW you were looking at if someone offered you one you wouldn't say no.

it is a bit pricey though when you spec it to take advantage of the latest gadgets and gizmos. Despite half of Europe going bankrupt it seems the pound shows no sign of strengthening anytime soon.
 
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