Soldato
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London police arent allowed to use sniffer dogs on muslims
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I haven't, I haven't RTM'd anyone either despite being personally insulted.
I'll give as good as I get and I'm a firm believer in the old adage "Give them enough rope......"
Now what logic can you give that because someone has an opinion that is insulting to a specific group I should not participate in calling that person on it? Also I did not say I was insulted, only that insulting a group needlessly is not freedom of speech.
You may not have mentioned curry, but you have uttered other nonsense such as the "I can't get a job because of immigrants stealing them", many others have said far worse and we are discussing the group you share your opinion with in general, not you personally.
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That's a typical answer & one that gets boring. Have you ever considered the fact that people in Britain are genuinely concerned on the state of affairs lately in seeing their home Country changeing before their very eyes from what they remember years ago? Do you not think people are now getting sick to the back teeth of hearing muslim this/muslim that at every corner they turn? Or the (IGNORANT & UNECESSARY) increase in veil wearing muslims etc etc?
Believe it or not, people of Britain DO have genuine concerns whereas they feel their way of life is being overtaken by muslim/immigrants/Islam but all they hear if they voice their opinions is RACIST! & being told they are IGNORANT etc. This to me is another form of trying to beat down & supress our freedom of speech because we DARE to speak out against seeing our Country bow down to Muslims etc.
Taking into consideration the way people are feeling these days, & hence how threads like these are borne, how is it those who are muslim/pro muslim etc, do not stand back & actually take note of the state of affairs? & act accordingly? & with understanding? That would be too easy. It's much easier to chant RACIST & being called IGNORANT etc yes?
Coming to this Country expecting us to bow down & change. (sorry I mean be "tolerant") & if we DARE utter a word against, well.....
I know who the IGNORANT ones are.
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I am neither Muslim nor pro-muslim, I just take the trouble to find things out for myself rather than go on hearsay and what certain newspapers say.
My personal opinions on Islam as a religion have been voiced on here before - I dont understand it and think much of it is quite strange and fanatical - but thats simply my personal opinion and I don't make the mistake of forming radical views based on that.
Just because I don't like something doesnt mean other people have no right to follow it or should be abused for doing so. I agree there are massive cultural and immigration issues facing this country but slagging people off and saying they smell of a curry because they follow a different religion is just ridiculous.
I am no fan of the way the UK is and my long term plain remains to emigrate, but that doesnt give me the right to be offensive and prejudiced, which is why I am neither.
My personal opinions on Islam as a religion have been voiced on here before - I dont understand it and think much of it is quite strange and fanatical - but thats simply my personal opinion and I don't make the mistake of forming radical views based on that.
Just because I don't like something doesnt mean other people have no right to follow it or should be abused for doing so. I agree there are massive cultural and immigration issues facing this country but slagging people off and saying they smell of a curry because they follow a different religion is just ridiculous.
I am no fan of the way the UK is and my long term plain remains to emigrate, but that doesnt give me the right to be offensive and prejudiced, which is why I am neither.
Many people simply do not share your opinion of Islam or your views on immigration in general. Most of which are based on fallacies and exaggerations along with downright lies. In fact if anyone has reason to hate Muslims in general it should be me, however I am intelligent enough not to equate the actions of a minority of extremists with the entire Muslim population, to do so would be ignorant of the facts and would be pandering to far right nonsense.
Do we have a problem with immigration, I would suspect we do, especially in the current climate. Is this purely down to some Islamic breeding program or Muslim master-plan to take over Western Europe I highly doubt it.
In fact the largest problem with immigration is with Europeans and the excessive numbers that we absorbed in a short time scale which has caused some resentment and ill-feeling among certain sections of our communities.
Immigration, both global and EU needs to be addressed, however that does not give anyone carte blanch to attack any section of society simply because of their culture, religion, nationality or colour which is far too often the underlying ideology of such people.
Tolerance works both ways, those who are intolerant toward us should be denounced as quickly and vehemently as those who are against them.
That is yet to be ascertained.
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I see immigration a less of a problem than Islam. Unfortunately Tolerance does not work both ways. We are expected to be tolerant. Yet WE are expected to follow Islamic laws abroad as opposed to OUR Cultural ways being tolerated while in a Country of those who we are supposed to tolerate when they are in OUR Country. Go figure. (I read that in a newspaper somewhere. Think it was the Star)
I'm Muslim and I'm sick of hearing it too. Every other Dispatches program on C4 is somehow on "Islam/Muslim/Extremism" blah, blah, blah.
What does this indicate ignorance of?
There are hardly any examples of people in this country not following our laws and not being punished for doing so (Don't mention that stupid Iraqi guy AGAIN, it's too complex and isnt what you think it is) and of the few cases where there *are* examples I've argued quite strongly against that (Last case being carrying a Kirpan in schools).
people seem to be calling people 'muslim haters' on here (in a roundabout kind of way) i don't think anyone on here hates muslims but one would find it pretty hard to deny that muslims seem to have a total lack of respect for a lot of country's ways and methods be it in everyday society (guide dogs, sniffer dogs) religion (against christians) war and it's memorials (the remembrance day and 'british soldiers burn in hell' thing) and a whole lot of other things. it is very hard not to point the finger at muslims, all be it a minority, they as a religion/people are not helping themselves into trying to intigrate. ok, so they may have been over here for decades now, are they slowly taking advantage of this? what will they be angling for in 10/20/30 years time? scarey stuff if you ask me.
I reckon that those who are most vocal are the people in regions that have been subject to high levels of immigration. Where I live has had an increasing amount of immigrants in recent years, but I suppose at least they are from nations not famed for extremism or nutters. There's not really any social friction, and I've always lived around Sikhs/Hindus who have integrated well.
If I had been living in Luton for the past 50 years, I might be leaning more towards the DirtyDog wagon. I sometimes wonder if many people who say that the immigration issue is a myth are those living in areas where their next door neighbours are several hundred yards away...
I do agree that we shouldn't pander to minorities. We are a modern, tolerant society but I must admit that it annoys me when we bend over backwards to whichever tiny group shouts the loudest...
I can't remember when Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Taoists last started kicking up a stink wanting their own courts and so forth (unless I missed something). I work with a few Muslim guys who are pretty westernised actually, and it does puzzle me why the loony minority can't just put up or move away to a country that works the way they want it to.
If I had been living in Luton for the past 50 years, I might be leaning more towards the DirtyDog wagon. I sometimes wonder if many people who say that the immigration issue is a myth are those living in areas where their next door neighbours are several hundred yards away...
I do agree that we shouldn't pander to minorities. We are a modern, tolerant society but I must admit that it annoys me when we bend over backwards to whichever tiny group shouts the loudest...
I can't remember when Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Taoists last started kicking up a stink wanting their own courts and so forth (unless I missed something). I work with a few Muslim guys who are pretty westernised actually, and it does puzzle me why the loony minority can't just put up or move away to a country that works the way they want it to.
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I reckon that those who are most vocal are the people in regions that have been subject to high levels of immigration. Where I live has had an increasing amount of immigrants in recent years, but I suppose at least they are from nations not famed for extremism or nutters. There's not really any social friction, and I've always lived around Sikhs/Hindus who have integrated well.
If I had been living in Luton for the past 50 years, I might be leaning more towards the DirtyDog wagon. I sometimes wonder if many people who say that the immigration issue is a myth are those living in areas where their next door neighbours are several hundred yards away...
I do agree that we shouldn't pander to minorities. We are a modern, tolerant society but I must admit that it annoys me when we bend over backwards to whichever tiny group shouts the loudest...
Spot on post right there.
?there is jewish courts here i think
Soldato
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Small point, but I think divorce in the UK between Jewish couples is handled in a Jewish court settlement. Its an arrangement between our legal system and some system based within their religion.
I am sure someone here will be able to state the exact situation.
Still nothing to do with the OP.
I am still await reply from the chap who referred to everyone as an imbicile for not knowing that a 'large proportion' of the caucasion world follows Islam. I couldn't find any evidence of this, and I'd like him to backup his point, or withdraw it. (Deific)