London police arent allowed to use sniffer dogs on muslims

gettothechopper said:
because people are bigoted and racist?
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Not necessarily. People tend to feel more comfortable around their own class or ethnicity - just seems to be the way it is, almost instinctive. Once an immigrant population is established in an area, it's natural for newcomers of the same origin to move into the same area so that they feel "settled" more quickly rather than being the odd one out in an almost exclusively white community. It works both ways.

I don't mind where I live at the moment, there's a reasonable mix and there's not really much trouble as the large majority of immigrants here integrate and talk to everyone else.

However, there would be a tipping point. If I was walking around the streets and never heard a single word of English spoken, I think I'd feel quite uncomfortable and would probably move away. Simple as that.

To many, I'm sure it's about feeling at "home"; when the demographic changes so rapidly that you no longer recognise your home town and social cohesion disentigrates, then there's something wrong - I don't agree with the view that we should just bend over and take it.
 
PianoBasher said:
To many, I'm sure it's about feeling at "home"; when the demographic changes so rapidly that you no longer recognise your home town and social cohesion disentigrates, then there's something wrong - I don't agree with the view that we should just bend over and take it.
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But who does? Serious evidence based source on who is suggesting we let non-english speaking communities overrun existing ones?
 
Abraham said:
HAHA, wow that's some extrapolation of the truth!
where the hell did you get that figure from?

Would it be the 2007 survey that found that in INNER LONDON 21.5% of school children were white-british, the same survey that said in 20% of schools white-british children accounted for less than 50%, so that's 80% of schools where white-british children are the majority...

So what was your source for less than 20% of school children being white-british again?
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Erm the BBC news article? What don't you understand about segregation? Just because Manchester and London as you say are still 'majority' white British doesn't mean that there isn't massive segregation. You admitted yourself that there are as you call them 'cultural communities'. You will struggle to find white-british people living in Plumstead or Wembley anymore.
 
[TW]Fox;18039687 said:
Us lovely European immigrants killed a lot of them - often for sport.
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More avoiding of the questions and point I made in favour of something completely irrelevent. You really do struggle when you can't just shout 'ignorant racist' at someone.
 
I think the less people arrested for victimless crimes like drug possession the better off all of us will be, so I welcome this news.
 
Patient Keeper said:
Erm the BBC news article? What don't you understand about segregation? Just because Manchester and London as you say are still 'majority' white British doesn't mean that there isn't massive segregation. You admitted yourself that there are as you call them 'cultural communities'. You will struggle to find white-british people living in Plumstead or Wembley anymore.
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Apologies I couldn't watch the video at the time. That figure is incorrect though, the closest real figure resembling it is the one I mentioned of just over 20% of children in Inner London schools being white-british, that is the "worst" area of the country, everywhere else has more, with 80% having majority white-british.

You seem to have got to the cultural communities bit and ignored the rest of what I said, those communities in Manchester are still majority white.
I live in Moss Side and while there is a massive black community, from all over the world, the majority of the area is still white-british.
 
Patient Keeper said:
Are you ever going to address the points I raised then?
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You raised points? You seem to just be ranting about 'white flight' as if you've spent the evening watching a BNP DVD or something.

Things change, people move, people move out - sure some people wont like new neighbours and they'll move out. But they'll do the same if a bunch of chavs move in next door as well, or whatever. They do it because they have an irrational fear of people who are different to them - it's more a pyschological issue with the people who move.
 
[TW]Fox;18039810 said:
You raised points? You seem to just be ranting about 'white flight' as if you've spent the evening watching a BNP DVD or something.

Things change, people move, people move out - sure some people wont like new neighbours and they'll move out. But they'll do the same if a bunch of chavs move in next door as well, or whatever. They do it because they have an irrational fear of people who are different to them - it's more a pyschological issue with the people who move.
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So hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people across London, Berlin, Oslo, Malmo, Holland all have pyschological problems? :rolleyes:

The numbers are getting on for quite a representative proportion of the population of Europe. This isn't some random poll of 1000 people in a newspaper, this is hundreds of thousands of people and actions speak louder than words.
 
[TW]Fox;18039810 said:
You raised points? You seem to just be ranting about 'white flight' as if you've spent the evening watching a BNP DVD or something.

Things change, people move, people move out - sure some people wont like new neighbours and they'll move out. But they'll do the same if a bunch of chavs move in next door as well, or whatever. They do it because they have an irrational fear of people who are different to them - it's more a pyschological issue with the people who move.
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Also you are accusing me of watching BNP propoganda and yet I've been posting peer reviewed journals as my evidence against immigration? You don't post any evidence other than wildly claiming that the actions of hundreds of thousands of natives is down to a mental 'problem' with them.
 
Two seperate replies to the same post? Are you getting that frustrated?

Something can be a psychological issue without the person in question being mentally ill you know :rolleyes:

Essentially what you want is a world where people are never allowed to leave the countries they are born in. So best we recall the British who have settled all over the world, right?

How has a thread about people being OTT about Muslims turned into an immigration debate anyway? I have seperate thoughts on immigration to my thoughts on muslims in the UK, I consider them seperate issues, it just so happens that some imimgrants are muslim. But then so are many BRITISH CITIZENS.
 
[TW]Fox;18039904 said:
Two seperate replies to the same post? Are you getting that frustrated?

Something can be a psychological issue without the person in question being mentally ill you know :rolleyes:

Essentially what you want is a world where people are never allowed to leave the countries they are born in. So best we recall the British who have settled all over the world, right?

How has a thread about people being OTT about Muslims turned into an immigration debate anyway? I have seperate thoughts on immigration to my thoughts on muslims in the UK, I consider them seperate issues, it just so happens that some imimgrants are muslim. But then so are many BRITISH CITIZENS.
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Not really, but when people start nit-picking or pulling the BNP/racist card when I present proper evidence that is avoid and failed to be addressed, deep down they know they are wrong.
 
Are you sure that with the whole "white flight" thing you aren't just getting correlation and causation mixed up? For 500 asian families to move in to an area then surely 500 other families need to move out in the first place? Especially inner city areas with limited new build capacity?
 
RDM said:
Are you sure that with the whole "white flight" thing you aren't just getting correlation and causation mixed up? For 500 asian families to move in to an area then surely 500 other families need to move out in the first place? Especially inner city areas with limited new build capacity?
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But the only reason people might possibly move house is to move away from their neighbours isnt it?
 
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