*** Final Fantasy XIII ***

got this game on the 24th, didn't stop playing it throughout the holidays, I mean, it's a really good game but I must admit, I prefer the old fighting system and there's more story telling in the older games.

+ Maybe I haven't reached far enough but where the hell is Sephiroth or Kuja or Ultimacia or Seifer, or Genova, I mean, anyone? It seems like every single boss fight is just some big piece of metal
 
Ray: Don't sell the game, trust me it gets a hell of a lot better (I know the level you're on and yes, it drags a bit but i'm sure you're near the end now.)

Franco: Nowhere, new game = new characters. The bosses are all metal, because as far as I can tell, it's all military hardware you're fighting.
 
Creature said:
Franco: Nowhere, new game = new characters. The bosses are all metal, because as far as I can tell, it's all military hardware you're fighting.
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I think he means, where are the GOOD villains? And for what it's worth, i agree with him. The villains in XIII were naff.
 
*shrugs* I'd never played an FF game before, though I had heard of Sephiroth so I had no idea who he was on about. I know as much that the playable characters have been different in nearly all the FF games, so I took this as a standalone game and didn't expect any of the older characters to appear.
 
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*shrugs* I'd never played an FF game before, though I had heard of Sephiroth so I had no idea who he was on about. I know as much that the playable characters have been different in nearly all the FF games, so I took this as a standalone game and didn't expect any of the older characters to appear.
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Perhaps i explained badly.

He's saying, all the villains are rubbish and the game lacks the awesome types of villains from previous FF games. You're right, its new characters in every game, but in previous FF games, bar maybe XII, the heroes and villains have been far more fleshed out than those of XIII. Its predecessors had some awesome villains with lots of character, this has big chunks of metal.

They just felt so... hollow. I still don't entirely get the motivations behind the events.
 
"No memorable stand-out villians" in FFXIII would be the better term. It's mostly just a humans vs Demi-Gods kind of thing and the story and motivations is pretty understandable.
 
Phatjayunoi said:
the story and motivations is pretty understandable.
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Orly? In that case could you explain the actions in the final chapter for me please:


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Why do the main characters end up attacking and killing orphan with no knowledge that ragnorok could save everyone on cocoon? The whole point of them returning to cocoon was to prevent the resistance from killing orphan. Early on they realize the resistance stands no chance of getting to orphan (which begs the question, why bother even continuing towards orphan at this point?). They then reach orphan, he harps on about how killing him will kill everyone, so they proceed to kill him? It made no sense. At no point did anyone tell the main characters/was it made clear that ragnorok had the ability to teleport everyone out of cocoon, so there was no way they would know, so there is no way they would deliberately attack and kill him. They say time and time again that his death will kill everyone and it must not happen!
 
Because it was a massive gamble that they are willing to take in order to break free of the Cocoon Fal'Cie's control of humanity?

For their entire lives, the Cocoon humans have been taking orders, living off fear or just live by what the Fal'Cie tell/mold them to. The humans were just pawns, being manipulated without knowing just so that they will eventually become a sacrifice for the Fal'Cie to bring back the Maker. Cocoon is just a shell world for manufacturing humans for that simple purpose.

When Lightning and the other characters found out the truth through their journey, it was up to them to decide what will happen, even if in the end they were still going by the Fal'Cie's wishes and orders to destroy them.

If they have the power to destroy Cocoon, then they will also have the power to save it. This funnily enough was something that Hope said. Talk about irony there. And since Fang and Vanille are Ragnarok, they were all "Let's create a miracle!"

The whole point in the end was that humanity's own fate is up to their own hands, not the Fal'Cie, who wanted the death of everyone including themselves just for their own selfish gain. This is what Lightning and the others were fighting for.

The whole theme of FFXIII is the circle of life and death, humanity and the Gods, and with a very underlining religious thing going on.
 
I must have missed a huge chunk of dialogue or something then as from what i remember they went to cocoon to stop orphan from dying, not to kill him.
 
Initially that was their purpose, but once they found out that Orphan and Barthandelus were manipulating them together, it all changed. Orphan wanted death, Lightning and the other characters were the only ones capable of granting that wish, and so they did, with other justifications as well.
 
I gave up trying to understand the story from the second I heard the words Fal'cie and L'cie. I just had no idea who was who and what not. I still played on as an rpg but paid no attention to the story.
 
Welcome to your typical Japanese Anime Philospohical Storytelling Nonsense 101. :p

Fal'Cie are the mechanical or organic-mechanical Demi-Gods, and l'Cie are humans branded and given a task (Focus) by the Fal'Cie to fulfill.
 
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Lots of rumours at the moment surrounding the www.finalfantasy13-2game.com domain name being registered by the same company that is doing the same for other Square-Enix related games. Will be interesting if this is for real and how a sequal would go seeing as there is a ton of Pulse to be explored and how humanity will carry on.
 
Phatjayunoi said:
Lots of rumours at the moment surrounding the www.finalfantasy13-2game.com domain name being registered by the same company that is doing the same for other Square-Enix related games. Will be interesting if this is for real and how a sequal would go seeing as there is a ton of Pulse to be explored and how humanity will carry on.
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I'm just not planning on being disappointed again like I was with Final Fantasy XIII.

I'm done.
 
i dont care what anyone says, I loved the FFXIII gameplay and the whole weapons building thing, that was a load of fun :) - the missions at the end were cool too, and building up your spheres etc. (i forget the correct terms now, been about 6 months now since i last played it)

So yeah, im really looking forward to XIII-2, and I hope to hell it's not a repeat of what x-2 turned out to be.

Bring it on =)
 
Versus and Agito are the spin-offs. XIII-2 denotes a sequal.

And X-2 wasn't exactly a failure since it still sold a lot and got decent reviews. If failure means that you didn't like the story and content, that is a different matter.
 
Didn't sell as well as the main FF games and seemed to come in somewhat under the radar as I remember it.

Versus isn't really a spin off, it's a completely separate game with only the universe being where the similarities stop unless I missed something?
 
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