The Current Government

[Masterdog]

Not a fan, but not hating it quite as much as I expected to.

On the 'last good prime minister' - Clem Attlee. Unfortunately, with the media and the public priorities we have today, we'll never see his modest, get-the-job-done like again. See irrelevancies like the Brown smile, or (for balance) people concerned that the Chancellor's first name is 'Gideon'.

 

[scorza]

Because benefit fraud is illegal and tax avoidance isn't.

Can I ask why you continue to confuse tax avoidance and tax evasion and treat them the same? It's been explained to you several times, so it can't be ignorance any more...

Claiming benefits isn't illegal though and the general wisdom of this forum deems that if you're a benefit claimant you're worse than Hitler.

And LOL, I can't believe you're still comparing an ISA with tax avoidance loop holes like non-dom status.

 

[sigma]

Claiming benefits isn't illegal though and the general wisdom of this forum deems that if you're a benefit claimant you're worse than Hitler.

Who said benefit claiming was illegal?

Tax avoidance is perfectly legal, why would someone wish to pay more tax than they legally have to?

 

[scorza]

Who said benefit claiming was illegal?

Tax avoidance is perfectly legal, why would someone wish to pay more tax than they legally have to?

So the family in Rochdale who claim say, £40k a year in benefits is perfectly OK in your book because it's all perfectly legal? Or maybe the law is sometimes not correct and should be changed.

I see plenty of laws closing benefits loopholes, I don't see many laws closing tax avoidance loopholes.

 

[Andy]

I think the system doesn't work. I can't remember the last time we had a home secretary with a brain.

 

[sigma]

So the family in Rochdale who claim say, £40k a year in benefits is perfectly OK in your book because it's all perfectly legal? Or maybe the law is sometimes not correct and should be changed.

I think you're confusing benefit claiming with benefit fraud. What I meant was that nobody in this thread claimed that benefit claiming was illegal, benefit fraud, however, is. I don't quite get the point you're trying to make.

I see plenty of laws closing benefits loopholes, I don't see many laws closing tax avoidance loopholes.

I don't really pay much attention to either loopholes but I'd guess that we need as much business in the country as possible so that might explain why. Why would there be laws to reduce tax avoidance? It's legal....


But I guess that doesn't meet your agenda so you'll no doubt twist it to suit your own thoughts.

 

[The Halk]

There's some real stupidity here.

Companies are as tax efficient as they can be. They would be negligent not to be.
People claim as much benefit as they can. They'd be stupid not to.

Mongo socialist activist facebook spackers have a go at companies for not voluntarily paying extra tax.

Daily Mail taxi driving white van little Englander BNP idiots have a go at people claiming benefits for claiming what they're entitled to.

Sensible people want benefit reform and a tax system which gets the right amount of tax from companies, but doesn't chase them away from the UK.

 

[kinetic747]

A few of my friends are self employed and let's just say that they are economical with the truth when it comes to declaring earnings.

 

[The Halk]

A few of my friends are self employed and let's just say that they are economical with the truth when it comes to declaring earnings.

Call the benefit fraud line and stop them thieving.

 

[sigma]

sense

Why are you typing so much sense?

You should be more narrow-minded and ignore the possibility that there is another way to that which is stuck in your head! After all, you are right, everyone else is wrong.

 

[meghatronic]

Call the benefit fraud line and stop them thieving.

Don't they pay you money for grassing people up?

 

[meghatronic]

People claim as much benefit as they can. They'd be stupid not to.

Well there are benefits I can claim but choose not to. Stupid? Maybe.

 

[RDM]

Too early to say to be honest. However they do have the distinct advantage of not being Labour.

 

[AGD]

Too early to say to be honest. However they do have the distinct advantage of not being Labour.

 

[sigma]

Too early to say to be honest. However they do have the distinct advantage of not being Labour.

/thread

 

[Fuzz]

With the lack of transparency, lack of direction, lack of policy, lack of their supposed "beyond reproach" position they hold.

Err no, can't stand the government, they cant answer a single question without

a. changing the subject
b. Spin
c. Back stabbing another party
d. Blaming someone else
e. Saying one thing and doing another
f. Saying they did do things when they clearly didn't

 

[PermaBanned]

LOL, you actually believe that crap, even though HMRC have confirmed Vodaphone did not do anything wrong, ditto pretty much everyone else.

The mistake you're making in that statement is the assumption that HMRC and Vodaphone are on different sides. They're all working for the upper classes, with the sole aim of making the rich richer and the poor poorer.

The law holds little relevance to what is right and what is wrong. Good people don't need rules to tell them how to behave. Bad people will find a way around the rules. If the 'official' forces can't be trusted to act on behalf of the people then the people will take what is rightfully theirs through fire and blood, and it's people like you that will be made to think about your outlook on other people and life in general. I do hope you see the light, but if you don't then it's you who'll suffer because of it.

 

[Efour]

There's some real stupidity here.

Companies are as tax efficient as they can be. They would be negligent not to be.
People claim as much benefit as they can. They'd be stupid not to.

Mongo socialist activist facebook spackers have a go at companies for not voluntarily paying extra tax.

Daily Mail taxi driving white van little Englander BNP idiots have a go at people claiming benefits for claiming what they're entitled to.

Sensible people want benefit reform and a tax system which gets the right amount of tax from companies, but doesn't chase them away from the UK.

lol so spot on it made me smile

 

[scorza]

I think you're confusing benefit claiming with benefit fraud. What I meant was that nobody in this thread claimed that benefit claiming was illegal, benefit fraud, however, is. I don't quite get the point you're trying to make.

I'm not confused about anything, I know the difference between legit benefit claims and benefits fraud.

Answer the question man; do you support the unemployed family with 10+ kids we read about in the Daily Mail claiming £40k a year in benefits on the basis that it's legal? Or do you think that actually although they've done nothing legally wrong, £40k a year is a bit much to be claiming from the state when a lot of people who do have jobs earn a lot less than that.

I don't really pay much attention to either loopholes but I'd guess that we need as much business in the country as possible so that might explain why. Why would there be laws to reduce tax avoidance? It's legal....

It's only legal because there isn't a law making it illegal, that doesn't mean it's right that the super-rich who live in the UK can legally avoid paying the same taxes that you or I have to pay.

 

[SlyReaper]

Can i just ask - why are supporters of the tories against benefit fraud, but not against tax avoidance?

For a start, benefit fraud is illegal, tax avoidance isn't. Unless you actually meant tax evasion.

Secondly, tax avoidance is about keeping hold of as much of your hard-earned cash as possible. Benefit fraud is about taking money that doesn't belong to you. At least tax avoiders aren't sponging off the state.