Sex Education

[Dj_Jestar]

Such insightful analysis. Then again, from your previous posts, about par for the course.

You mean my previous post that did provide insight, and you completely ignored?

How about this for insight - Society tried your favoured technique for centuries, all we ever had were ******* children cast aside like they were sub-human. A lot even being left to die alone after birth because their very existence brought shame unto the parents. This was from the dark ages right up to Victorian times, all because teenagers were ill-educated in how to practice safe sex.

Here's the deal, you will not stop young people from having sex. End of. The best we can do is educate them how to do so safely, and of the risk involved, so they can make their own decisions. This is what it is to raise a child, so that they can stand on their own two feet and make their own concious decisions.

If you, or anyone else were to simply ban whatever you deem to be inappropriate, this will only stoke the child's curiosity, and when that magic bubble you keep them shielded in suddenly pops, their world will come tumbling down.

 

[Fr0dders]

You mean my previous post that did provide insight, and you completely ignored?

How about this for insight - Society tried your favoured technique for centuries, all we ever had were ******* children cast aside like they were sub-human. A lot even being left to die alone after birth because their very existence brought shame unto the parents. This was from the dark ages right up to Victorian times, all because teenagers were ill-educated in how to practice safe sex.

Here's the deal, you will not stop young people from having sex. End of. The best we can do is educate them how to do so safely, and of the risk involved, so they can make their own decisions. This is what it is to raise a child, so that they can stand on their own two feet and make their own concious decisions.

If you, or anyone else were to simply ban whatever you deem to be inappropriate, this will only stoke the child's curiosity, and when that magic bubble you keep them shielded in suddenly pops, their world will come tumbling down.

Amen

An excellent and well worded post

 

[Fr0dders]

The vast majority are people with a PC who first came here because they had a problem - there is a difference.
Just a quick glance at the people browsing each forum shows the difference and many members never venture into the Hardware section.

I don't even own a PC anymore

 

[LordSplodge]

Never understood the allure of anal sex between a heterosexual couple, just strikes me as, well, odd.

Well it is one of many things that a couple can do together homo or heterosexual. Often heterosexual anal sex (and some other sexual acts such as facials) are simply a case of exerting dominance over women. It can be enjoyable for both parties but I am going to guess this is not the norm.

I think the increasing extremeness of pornography is to blame for making anal sex seem more common (amongst other things such as facials) and so people feel they should be part of their repertoire.

Personally if it hurts no one* and both parties consent do what you want.


* Well as long as it doesn't hurt too much some of us like a little pain.

I don't even own a PC any more

You're one of those dirty Mac users now aren't you?

 

[Sp00n]

Never understood the allure of anal sex between a heterosexual couple, just strikes me as, well, odd.

That's why people are known as individuals

People prefer Beer, I don't, I prefer cider etc...

 

[LordSplodge]

That's why people are known as individuals

People prefer Beer, I don't, I prefer cider etc...

I like booze.
I like sex.

Most variants are acceptable.

 

[Tute]

favoured technique

Whoa whoa whoa. I was VERY careful not to suggest that we should force children not to have sex. I'm suggesting that we should not encourage or glamourise it either, which is what this program is doing.

And whilst I don't believe we should give teen mothers as much money as we do, I know as well as others that you can't stop it completely. I just favour a system that encourages avoidance of teen pregnancy in the first place and then doesn't perpetuate the cycle that some mothers fall into.

Here's the deal, you will not stop young people from having sex. End of. The best we can do is educate them how to do so safely, and of the risk involved, so they can make their own decisions. This is what it is to raise a child, so that they can stand on their own two feet and make their own concious decisions.

If you, or anyone else were to simply ban whatever you deem to be inappropriate, this will only stoke the child's curiosity, and when that magic bubble you keep them shielded in suddenly pops, their world will come tumbling down.

Again, i've been careful to avoid saying that underage sex should be banned. My points mainly consisted of:

- Why do we have the age of consent if it is meaningless?
- Why are we putting programmes like this on TV, which in my opinion glorify teen sex?

Underage sex should be DISCOURAGED. After all, in the eyes of the law, it is illegal.

By the way Tute, you didn't give your sources for your opinions, I'm guessing you forgot?

Common sense, and my own eyes mainly. How do I reference those? Harvard system?

Pay me for my expert (I guess I'm an expert based on how I earn a living) opinions on sex and I'll give them, I must warn though my hourly rate is quite high for what would be simple educated opinion giving.

Now I understand totally where you're coming from.

 

[hurfdurf]

Common sense, and my own eyes mainly. How do I reference those? Harvard system?

I don't know, why don't you ask the same people who used common sense as their source when they proclaimed it was obvious the Earth was flat and that the Sun went round it.

I'll stick to my peer reviewed sources, you can stick with those same idiots.

 

[Tute]

That's a dangerous road to go down - there was a time when all the planet's "experts" agreed that the Earth was indeed flat. No doubt they wrote books about it too.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

waffle

O RLY?

Or actually educate children not to have sex until they're 16? I mean lets face it - a child under 16 having sex is about as likely to take contraception seriously as the age of consent, i.e not at all.

Either that or stop throwing money at them if they become pregnant.



If we're not going to punish them in some way, then why bother having the law? It just means that the justice system comes across as toothless.

 

[Tute]

I really can't be bothered with this. Either discuss my points or not - i'm not repeating them again.

 

[RDM]

- Why do we have the age of consent if it is meaningless?

Primarly to stop children being abused.

- Why are we putting programmes like this on TV, which in my opinion glorify teen sex?

None of the participants so far have been under 16, most seem to have been late teens, so university age. The gay guy was early 20s I believe.

Underage sex should be DISCOURAGED. After all, in the eyes of the law, it is illegal.

Common sense, and my own eyes mainly. How do I reference those? Harvard system?

However that method has failed so often in the past that it wouldn't really be "common sense" to keep trying the same thing over and over in the hopes it eventually works. Surely a more sensible system to would be to give kids as much self respect, self confidence and self knoweldge as possible and so let them make the right decisions at the right time. After all someone too imature to have sex carefully at 15 is hardly going to suddenly have an epiphany at 16.

That's a dangerous road to go down - there was a time when all the planet's "experts" agreed that the Earth was indeed flat. No doubt they wrote books about it too.

That really isn't the case, since people have started thinking about it seriously those that cared were aware of it's spherical nature. Columbus wasn't searching for America after all, just trying to find a quicker way to India.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

I really can't be bothered with this. Either discuss my points or not - i'm not repeating them again.

You've contradicted yourself, as was/is more than evident by what I've quoted. It doesn't need explaining, nor discussion from my part, only from you to explain why you've shifted view mid-way through the discussion as a whole.

 

[Tute]

None of the participants so far have been under 16, most seem to have been late teens, so university age. The gay guy was early 20s I believe.

I'm referring more to those who watch it. It's hardly likely the regulator is going to let C4 interview under-age children about sex, is it?

Surely a more sensible system to would be to give kids as much self respect, self confidence and self knoweldge as possible and so let them make the right decisions at the right time.

Is this not dependant on the child? You can't assume this method would work for the whole country. Some children will still lack those qualities no matter how much you teach them.

You've contradicted yourself, as was/is more than evident by what I've quoted. It doesn't need explaining, nor discussion from my part, only from you to explain why you've shifted view mid-way through the discussion as a whole.

No I haven't. You've switched back to troll mode. Discuss properly or don't - your choice.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

They've got to learn from somewhere.

Micheal Jackson school of excellence



Our sex ed teacher was pregnant at the time she told us about the ins and outs of sex - excuse the pun!

 

[Dj_Jestar]

That really isn't the case, since people have started thinking about it seriously those that cared were aware of it's spherical nature. Columbus wasn't searching for America after all, just trying to find a quicker way to India.

On this off-topic note, QI had this question, and according to whatever research they've done, there is no documented history to ever suggest that anyone ever thought the earth was flat. They didn't think it was as near perfectly spherical as it is, but definitely never thought it was flat.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Common sense, and my own eyes mainly. How do I reference those? Harvard system?

Conclusions from anecdotal evidence, especially from only your own experiences will be very limited and I would be very careful about drawing any general conclusions from it.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

No I haven't. You've switched back to troll mode. Discuss properly or don't - your choice.

Er.. yes you have. You've stated teens should be punished if they have underage sex, then go on to claim you never stated under age sex should be banned/deemed a punishable offence?

 

[Tute]

I never said that.

If we're not going to punish them in some way, then why bother having the law? It just means that the justice system comes across as toothless.

I asked that if we're going to not punish under age sex, why have the law? This is NOT the same as saying we SHOULD punish it. RDM then answered this question.

Conclusions from anecdotal evidence, especially from only your own experiences will be very limited and I would be very careful about drawing any general conclusions from it.

About 2 minutes after I posted it I cursed myself as I knew i'd get called for "source" and not be able to give any. I do regret posting it now, it's stirred up a right hornet's nest.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

As for "Why do we have the age of consent?" it was to stop older persons (typically men) from legally engaging in sexual activities with those deemed too young by society. Basically it's a pedo blocker.

If it were a blanket rule of no sex at all, with anyone of any age, until you are 16, then programs like this wouldn't exist - everyone on it would be arrested, the "patients" (for lack of a better word) for admitting guilt, and the production team for entrapment. etc. etc.