Stupid Cyclist

They don't pay road tax

I'm sure this has been done to death, but just in case anyone is unsure: There is no such thing as road tax. What you pay is vehicle excise duty, or "car tax". There are 2 important things to consider with this:
1) VED is based on CO2 emissions - cycles emit no CO2, so even if they were liable for the tax, they'd fall into Band A (up to 100g/km) so would pay nothing anyway.

2) The vast majority of [adult] cyclists own a car. This means that they do, in fact, pay car tax.

Personal attacks are not needed here.
 
I think cyclists should be made to get a license which gives them just 6 months to use the roads in Britain. This 6 months will give them time to save up and buy a car. Bikes are for Kids - cars are for men. :D

Just to let you know i am riding my bike to get from A-B at the moment while i save for a car.


I'd rather ride my bike to work because it's quicker and keeps me fit.

If I was to drive, it would take considerably longer due to traffic, I'd have to pay £8 for the privilege of driving, I'd then have to find somewhere to park and the closest place to my work is about £50 a day. This is before we even get to fuel costs.... I don't understand why anyone drives to work in Central London.
 
Cyclists do take massive risks i find. Many times i have seen them swerving in and out of traffic,. going through red lights, mounting pavements, riding 2 abreast etc etc. Just asking for trouble me thinks.

Define 'swerving in and out of traffic'. I've been beeped a on many occasions when moving a couple of feet to the right to avoid puddles, drains, glass, etc. In case anyone is unaware the recommended clearance to give cyclists is around 5 feet, so if my 'swerving' causes problems it's because the driver is too close in the first place.

I also got beeped at by some kids the other day; at the bottom of Wood Lane in London the cycle track moves from the left of the road to the right. I moved across the road after indicating and the car behind started giving it the horn because he didn't want to slow (even though we were approaching lights and a tight left turn). I wasn't changing lanes, I was jsut moving across my lane.

I love the consideration of other road users.
 
I think the van driver got done for "brake testing" the cyclist later and then getting out and acting like ... a typical van driver.

Nope, he got done for the overtake.

if there's a cycle lane - use it. Nothing worse than doing 70 down the dual carriageway, coming up to the flashing red light and having to put the anchors when there's a perfectly good cycle lane not 6 feet away. I know the reason why they don't - because all the crap in the cycle lane will give them a puncture, maybe they should get better tyres?

We don't use them because they are full of things that give you punctures, pedestrians, mud, leaves and slippy things. They als, usually make you give at any junction.

Generally, they make journeys slower and more dangerous.
 
These threads should be banned, full of silly people whining how cyclists should not be allowed on the road and how they hate them blah blah blah blah what a load of crap.
 
Willhub do you live in or around the centre of Manchester? I live near Victoria station and often find myself getting trains out of the centre with my bike rather than cycling.

Do you happen to have any routes out you use yourself by any chance? Need to start getting out more.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;18369353 said:
Define 'swerving in and out of traffic'. I've been beeped a on many occasions when moving a couple of feet to the right to avoid puddles, drains, glass, etc. In case anyone is unaware the recommended clearance to give cyclists is around 5 feet, so if my 'swerving' causes problems it's because the driver is too close in the first place.

I also got beeped at by some kids the other day; at the bottom of Wood Lane in London the cycle track moves from the left of the road to the right. I moved across the road after indicating and the car behind started giving it the horn because he didn't want to slow (even though we were approaching lights and a tight left turn). I wasn't changing lanes, I was jsut moving across my lane.

I love the consideration of other road users.

Posh ponsey surrey bike scum :p:D:D:D

It seems to come down to just the general lack of awarness, on both sides. I see cars pulling off dangerous moves near bikes and I've nearly been hit on countless occassions by cyclists flying through a red light as I cross.

One of these days I might actually stand my ground and have enough time to get my elbow up to cushion an impact to their chest area ;) Not something I want to do, but with some of these maniacs, a hard lesson might teach them what the colour red is for as they are the ones who generally fly through most reds without a care in the world.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;18369400 said:
Nope, he got done for the overtake.

Where does it say that?

[DOD]Asprilla;18369400 said:
We don't use them because they are full of things that give you punctures, pedestrians, mud, leaves and slippy things. They als, usually make you give at any junction.

I know, but ultimately we're all trying to do the same thing - get somewhere. Why can't we all compromise and get along?

[DOD]Asprilla;18369400 said:
Generally, they make journeys slower and more dangerous.

Car drivers would say the same thing about cyclists :D
 
When I'm crossing roads on signalled crossings and I get get cut up by a bike, is it wrong if i ever so slightly step on the back wheel to make the cyclist go flying off.

Always so tempting.
 
I think cyclists should be made to get a license which gives them just 6 months to use the roads in Britain. This 6 months will give them time to save up and buy a car. Bikes are for Kids - cars are for men. :D


Just to let you know i am riding my bike to get from A-B at the moment while i save for a car.

Actually I agree...

Well almost....

I think people taking driving lessons should have to complete a given time/distance on a bike before being allowed to take their test...

Respect for other road users, more observational ability and probably fewer crashes as they will have a much greater number of hours on the road...;)

Unfortunately this sort of idea never goes down too well on this forum because, with this subject and climate change, I'm beginning to suspect that a large proportion of users are young rude boys who believe they are respectable "Adults"...:p
 
One of these days I might actually stand my ground and have enough time to get my elbow up to cushion an impact to their chest area ;)

As a cyclist I'd like to say : Do it. Elbow at face height would be more spectacular though.
Cyclists who jump red lights (particularly at pedestrian crossings) are ***** who deserve to be taken out.
 
Basically, common sense prevails. I "run red lights", but not in the sense of zoom up to and through, but I slow down almost to a stop and if there's no pedestrians either on the crossing or coming up to it then I go through, and again only if it's a junction where I won't be cutting through traffic. I don't see the point in waiting when I could dismount, walk past the crossing and then start off again perfectly legally and there's minimal difference.

And as said, occasionally weaving between cars is fine if one side is blocked, the traffic is stationary and you're aware of everything around you.
 
Willhub do you live in or around the centre of Manchester? I live near Victoria station and often find myself getting trains out of the centre with my bike rather than cycling.

Do you happen to have any routes out you use yourself by any chance? Need to start getting out more.

If you can, I recommend that you ride with the Manchester Wheelers, rides start near Pars Wood in Didsbury at a pub called The Gateway hear the junction of Wilmslow Road and the A34.

Sometimes rides start from The Hilton on Deansgate.

I always ride out, usually either down Oxford Road, A34 or the A6 to Disley.

Check out rides on my Garmin Connect, unsure if you will be able to but you may be able to download the routes, as I live literally less than a mile from Victoria Station near the CIS Tower.

http://www.manchesterwheelers.co.uk/Forum/default.aspx
http://www.manchesterwheelers.co.uk/rides/list.htm

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/65916464

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/64979314

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/64606941

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/57485015

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/18976485
 
Basically, common sense prevails. I "run red lights", but not in the sense of zoom up to and through, but I slow down almost to a stop and if there's no pedestrians either on the crossing or coming up to it then I go through, and again only if it's a junction where I won't be cutting through traffic. I don't see the point in waiting when I could dismount, walk past the crossing and then start off again perfectly legally and there's minimal difference.

Because a red light is a red light, and means stop? If you're in a car you're not allowed to move through if there's nobody crossing.

[Edit] You're not clear about this - do you dismount to move across the crossing or ride through?
 
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[DOD]Asprilla;18369400 said:
We don't use them because they are full of things that give you punctures, pedestrians, mud, leaves and slippy things. They als, usually make you give at any junction.

Generally, they make journeys slower and more dangerous.

Wow... I can never get times when people moan about certain people's inconsideration and are guilty of similar themselves... Hypocritical much?


Basically, common sense prevails. I "run red lights", but not in the sense of zoom up to and through, but I slow down almost to a stop and if there's no pedestrians either on the crossing or coming up to it then I go through, and again only if it's a junction where I won't be cutting through traffic. I don't see the point in waiting when I could dismount, walk past the crossing and then start off again perfectly legally and there's minimal difference.

Then I hope, if seen by police, they stop and give you a ticket for running said red lights.





p.s. I drive and also cycle.
 
Van driver was aggressive and behaved like plonker. He was also right to be punished for slamming breaks and leaving the car in the middle of the road to slap the biker across his head.

That said however....

Let's analyse something here.
Beginning of the footage: we see white van traveling at faster pace than cyclist (we can see that cyclist is looking 2 o'clock towards driver's cabin, and in his own words "I was overtaken by the van"):
cyclist1.jpg

40 frames later the van is clearly ahead, still indicating intention to change lanes and turn left. At this point, seeing that van is already in front of our cyclist and still turning, who would you say had better maneuverability - Aggro Yob in 2.5 tone piece of metal or 80kg Spandex Vlogging Ninja on his light alloy bicycle?
cyclist2.jpg


However, despite all odds, Spandex Ninja decides to speed up and force the Aggro Yob (still indicating btw) to stay in the wrong lane, taking entire lane for turning left for himself (or is it - two lanes already on this picture - parking bay or lane devider?). This slightly backfires as he's clearly not able to keep the pace with turning van. With the previous "maneuverability" question still in mind, what do you reckon would have more severe consequences to traffic behind, do you reckon - if 80kg Spandex Vlogging Ninja slowed down/moved closer to the kerb to let the van in front clear access to lane for turning left, or if Aggro Yob in 2.5 tonne van hit the breaks between both lanes of traffic and let one Spandex Vlogging Ninja undertake? :
cyclist3.jpg


As the Aggro Yob decides to continue without two lanes of traffic plowing into the back of his van and slows down to turn, Spandex Vlogging Ninja finally gets closer (although, he's still behind line of van's cabin, possibly in drivers blind spot) and instead of pressing breaks he decides to maintain the pace and showcase incredible spacial and directional awareness by screaming "STAY LEFT! STAY LEFT effectively giving vocal permission for Aggro Yob to stay left/keep turning left

cyclist4.jpg


After both turn, Spandex Vlogging Ninja decides to keep chasing the van (still behind cabin) until Aggro Yob finally speeds up to avoid squashing Spandex Ninja between blue Focus and his van. As a token of gratitude Spandex Vlogging Ninja bangs with fist into the side panel, at which point Aggro Yob loose patience, slams the breaks and decides to perform few Millwall massif courtship moves on the cyclist...
cyclist6.jpg


What I propose, gentlemen, is that both parties displayed spectacular lack of common sense, but while Aggro Yob's decision to eject himself from the van in the middle of the road was indefensible, the Spandex Vloggin Ninja should actually sit down and deeply reflect on stupidity of his behaviour if he wants to continue unlocking Lance Armstrong streetracer achievements for the next 37 years for what he did, shouted and performed there, on his own video was ultimate, bottomless stupidity.
 
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