Stupid Cyclist

Cyclists are a pain in every motorist's ass, it's common knowledge. But van drivers are always bigger ******** than cyclists. They cut me up in my car - just got to show them whose boss by overtaking them and slamming on them brakes. Teach them gorillas who is boss ;)
 
BlackDragon said:
Of course, I understand that when a cyclist doesn't follow the highway code then they deserve to be hated as much as anyone else on the road who doesn't follow it.

What I hate is when people hate cyclists because they believe they have no right to be on there because they are a cyclist or because they do not pay road tax (which of course doesn't exist as it is VED tax). Also I saw a post about someone who contemplates knocking a cyclist over with a car, I don't know if they are joking or actually being serious.
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The majority of the time when I come to blows with a motorist when riding my bike, they go for that moral high ground of being the road user who has the right to be there, who pays for it and that is the reason why my bike has no place.

It's just so tiresome to constantly hear idiots spouting the same nonsense everytime. There is no road tax and at the end of the day I pay my taxes and I also pay the VED on the car I own. Infact as a cyclist, own a car and a bike and spending money on the bike and accessories means you have probably contributed far more to the government's 'road fund' than any white van driver has. As is more than likely the case, I'm not the only one who cycles who owns a car.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Unfortunately its simply misinterpretation, this isn't a camera with zoom looking ahead, all the pictures you showed, none of them show the whole van, NONE of them. Meaning the van wasn't past the bike at any point.

Bike and van, side by side, bike has the inside lane, van assumes bike will simply slow down and let him pass then stay out the way.

Anyway, the van has never overtaken fully at any point, then on the next road he fails to leave clearance.

The van driver didn't get a single thing right, and after all that decided to turn into the bike, they stop when HE HIT THE BIKE, then assault the guy.
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Let's say there is no FOV and the camera shows exactly what cyclist see - even then Spandex Vloggin Ninja is most of the time by the rear wheel of the van. In most shots, I hope we can agree, the cyclist would be if not in a blind spot, then in Aggro Yob's rear view mirrors. I don't think any driver, being further up front, at least from the point of view of driver in a cabin, would expect a biker to put up a fight, try to undertake, and if "stay right" is correct - claim entire lane and expect the car, that's for all intents and purposes is already in front, to go back into wrong lane and execute turn into other direction.

Yes, the bike could have slowed down at any point, so what, you could slow down and let every single vehicle behind you pass aswell, theres no legal requirement to do this
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That doesn't make playing mad max with white van a right thing to do.

I am not questioning stupidity of the van driver. What he did was wrong. What I'm saying is that Ninja was equally, if not more stupid. Since the cutting in was already done - what purpose did the fight cyclist put up wit the van serve - what was expected - was the van that cut him up supposed to suddenly slam on brakes and let cyclist execute tour de france, one lane wide turn? Was the van supposed to jump into hyperspace when the Ninja pressed on the pedals to undertake? Was the driver meant to swerve 120 degrees and turn right when he heard Ninja shouting "STAY LEFT/RIGHT" (whichever)? WTF did Ninja think would happen when van was already in front (even if by 1/2 car length)?
 
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Sgt_Pepper said:
Couldn't have put it better myself
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Indeed! By all standards my boss is a cyclist(think he high cat 2 just now) and cyclist since he was 12 but he still slows right down at roundabouts even if he has right of way.

On the other hand you have the "Oh my spokes have the consistency of cheese but I'll cycle down this busy road next to cars and lorries doing 60-70mph IN THE DARK but I'm legally allowed to do this so I'm right:)"
 
But he wasn't in front. If it was a car and not a bike, and the van had have pulled across when he was slightly in front, there'd have been a crash. Just because its a bike doesn't mean you have the right to bully the rider into the gutter, he's just as much right to take the whole lane as you do.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Stupid ninja. Stupid white van man.
Both stupid.
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yea both were at fault here van man for trying to over take before the corner and Lycra lad for trying to force his way through
would have been better to just allow van man to go through than press on in a bad situation even if he felt he was in the right

i cycle to and from work every day about 4 mile each way
and sadly i see a lot of cyclist's jumping red lights or hopping on and off pavements and i am just waiting for one of these Muppet's to end up on the bonnet of some car

there are a lot of inconsiderate ppl out there and not all of em are white van man

by far the worst problem i have on my commute it people just stepping of the kerb not looking for traffic usually busy playing with there phone
the last lady i saw that did this walked out on to the road from between 2 stationary buses unlucky for her there was a car passing and she was thrown in to the passenger side windscreen i actually felt more sorry for the car driver and the lady passenger as he was very shaken up and she was borderline hysterical
pedestrian was lying on the ground unconscious

it is for this reason that i have invested in an air horn (shouting usualy just gets you abuse and ringing a little bell just goes un noticed)
a quick blast from that soon wakes them up
 
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v0n said:
I am not questioning stupidity of the van driver. What he did was wrong. What I'm saying is that Ninja was equally, if not more stupid. Since the cutting in was already done - what purpose did the fight cyclist put up wit the van serve - what was expected - was the van that cut him up supposed to suddenly slam on brakes and let cyclist execute tour de france, one lane wide turn?
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You don't let someone take a corner if you're in the same lane, it's their corner to take as they need to. If you are looking to overtake you don't do it on a corner on a single lane in town.

Where would you expect that bike to go having seen the speed it was doing before the turn, into your side?

And yes the van should have braked and stopped the manoeuvre when the bike went past the van as it slowed to take the corner after overtaking (thus creating an undertaking situation) it's a lot more capable at stopping in a controlled manner than a bike. An emergency stop on a bike going at speed is an experiment in how far you can skid on a postage stamps worth of rubber.

Instead after the bike went past, the van got up speed again and attempted a second overtake with very short notice to the parked cars.

The van driver was being a ******, there is nothing more to it.
 
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Hotwired said:
Where would you expect that bike to go having seen the speed it was doing before the turn, into your side?
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Slow down and go closer to the kerb. I'm not questioning Ninja's self assessed right to take up entire lane, mind you, but given that van was already in front, even if by half length, it was still in the way. 80kg of Ninja and bike vs 2.5T of loaded van. It's a duel no man on a bicycle can possibly win. Cyclist shouldn't "go there" regardless of point he was trying to make, be it "my lane, my lane, my lane", "In the name of shimano, thy shalt not pass" or "dude, if I slow down below 10 mph i will need to unclip from pedals". Just not worth it.

And yes the van should have braked and stopped the manoeuvre when the bike went past the van as it slowed to take the corner after overtaking (thus creating an undertaking situation) it's a lot more capable at stopping in a controlled manner than a bike. An emergency stop on a bike going at speed is an experiment in how far you can skid on a postage stamps worth of rubber.
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Naaaa man. Tons of steel in front to stop and brake in mid traffic, mid turn because cyclist in a rear view mirror might try to mad max you in corner? Crazy talk.

Both of them - worth each orther
 
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I cycle a lot. The thing that happens to me mostly is cars revving their engines at me, trying to fake me into thinking they're going to pull out on me. It's not nice.

Consequently I've become one of those cyclists that motorists hate. I go on pavements etc. I don't care. A 100+ deaths a year?? I'm not risking my life just cos some douche in a white van got out the wrong side of bed. Nor do I care if some OAP walking their dog has such a dull life that their only joy comes from complaining about me sharing the pavement with them.

If the Police choose to ticket me for it I'll gladly pay. Fact is, I pass police all the time while on the pavement and they never say anything. Hopefully they're too busy chasing down knife wielding thugs etc.
 
Each to their own. I'll still ride 20mph through tight gaps in rush hour traffic because I friggin love it!

Home made fixie with clippy shoes, lush.
 
I am back into cycling and when you are on your bike you notice how bad British driving is, people dont cycle anymore I doubt many middle age people have been on a public road in heavy traffic on a bike in their entire life time.

Not looking at junctions or stopping.
Not slowing down when you are overtaking a parked car forcing you into the middle of the road.
Not knowing if to overtake you or stay behind, this is mainly old people, you can here them revving the engine, not knowing if to overtake.

I have had a few near crashes with people pulling out thank god I anticipate every car at a junction/side road, once a bloke pulled out of a junction onto a main road and I was that close to him I touched the side of his van, he just drove off. Scary stuff riding on the road. I go on the path at certain junctions just because the roads are too dangerous now, people going far to fast and not understand distances and speed, it really is bad sometimes. Cycle lanes are useless around here, only in certain places and then people park in them.

Nothing better than going down a hill at 35mph on a bike though.
 
Its a problem thats only going to get worse as my more people turn to alternative modes of transport other than car or public transport. I have seen a growing number of cyclist and moped/scooter and motorbike users in and around where I live.

The problem is we are not geared towards cyclists in this country, cycle lanes are ignored by motorists and pedestrians and are woefully narrow, not only is it a stressful experience but extremely dangerous given the state of the roads.
 
Richie said:
Wow... I can never get times when people moan about certain people's inconsideration and are guilty of similar themselves...

p.s. I drive and also cycle.
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So you are equating causing someone to wait behind me for 5 seconds, even though I'll overtake them at the next junction and have a quicker journey time over the same route with using an alternative route that puts me in more danger and is potentially more damaging to my bike?

There are different levels of inconvenience you know. Get some perpective.
 
cheets64 said:
Nothing better than going down a hill at 35mph on a bike though.
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Speed kills. On my commute there's a steep hill with a 30 mph speed limit, quite a few times now I've been overtaken by cyclists going down it :eek: I suspect I have a shorter stopping distance than they do too.
 
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