Stupid Cyclist

cheets64 · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:28

neocon said:
the driver is an animal

Yeah, his precious van got a thump, he would be all big and hard if he knocked someone off.

[DOD]Asprilla · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:28

bloodiedathame said:
I would argue that for motorcyclists and cyclists, being at the front of the lights is the safest (most visible) place to be, regardless of wether or not they are* crossing an ASL or not.

We all know there is a difference between jumping a light (getting to the other side of a junction) or stopping over a line. It's wholly pedantic to think otherwise.

Yes, I nearly slap myself for being so pedantic when I arrive at an ASL to find a loads of motorbike filling it and blocking it. I find it partcularly amusing when they take up the whole right lane at one junction I use, especially as they are going straight on (no right turn for motor vehicles) and I'm going right and have to move across to the right lane once the motorbikes have raced off, but before the cars have caught up. I love that one.

This is the thing I don't get; everyone slags of cyclists and say they are a law unto themselves, but shake of any implication that they themselves should follow the rule of law as 'silly'.

cheets64 · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:29

You lot are lucky, I cant think of an ASL around here

Sp00n · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:30

Lucky in what way?

LordSplodge · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:35

How many times must the old "road tax" and "licensed" rubbish come up.

Cyclists just like pedestrians and horse riders (and others) use the road by right whereas motor vehicles use it by license. That is so simple I think a child could understand it. Apparently some people here lack even that basic grasp of things...

Oh and maybe it has something to do with London (or other big cities) or even being "down south" as here on my commute I rarely see any real bad examples of cycling. The odd chav on the pavement and the odd plonker at night with no lights/hi-vis.

I do, unfortunately see first hand a lot of bad driving and poor attitude towards cyclists. My personal pet hate is when cars deliberately position themselves when they see me to block my way past.

cheets64 · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:36

That you have them, basically I have to get squashed in at lights, cars thinking its ok just to force me into the gutter.

LordSplodge · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:37

~Divine~Wind~ said:
I hit you and mash up your bike... You'd claim off me Im sure.
You hit me and scratch/bash up side of my car... I claim off who?

Who would you claim off if a wild animal damaged your car? See my post above about rights vs licensed use.

Sp00n · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:38

LordSplodge said:
Oh and maybe it has something to do with London (or other big cities) or even being "down south" as here on my commute I rarely see any real bad examples of cycling. The odd chav on the pavement and the odd plonker at night with no lights/hi-vis.

Aye must be, it's terrible here.

If you guys think you've seen it bad, you should be here for the London to Brighton bike run, the rage is so funny they have to line the streets with police to stop it.

Nexus · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:47

Sp00n said:
Aye must be, it's terrible here.

If you guys think you've seen it bad, you should be here for the London to Brighton bike run, the rage is so funny they have to line the streets with police to stop it.

Must be some real sad cases to get angry over the inconvenience of a cycling event that leads to some closed roads and slowed journeys for one day of the year, at a weekend that is publicized way in advance which is raising thousands of pounds for various charities. :rolleyes:

MikeHunt79 · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:52

uvarvu said:
Man I'm so buying a camera now that I'm aware of that website!

I'm gonna try out one of those £7 keyring ones, should be able to get some pretty good footage...

Sp00n · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:52

Yea, it's a shame they can't keep to the rules even in an "organised event".

RDM · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:56

LordSplodge said:
Cyclists just like pedestrians and horse riders (and others) use the road by right whereas motor vehicles use it by license. That is so simple I think a child could understand it. Apparently some people here lack even that basic grasp of things...

Isn't this another one of those trite little sayings that have no actual basis in law? Where exactly is your "right" to cycle enshrined? Also the driving licence is the licence to drive a car, it isn't a licence for the car to be on the road.

LordSplodge said:
Who would you claim off if a wild animal damaged your car? See my post above about rights vs licensed use.

What has a wild animal got to do with it? If you damage someone elses property surely it is only fair that you should pay for the repairs to it? Would it be OK for a pedestrian to come along and kick your wheel in? Does the frankly bizarre "wild animal" clause fit in there too?

[DOD]Asprilla · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:57

Sp00n said:
Yea, it's a shame they can't keep to the rules even in an "organised event".

One of the reasons I've never done the L2B. It's baisically an event for people who have a bike in their garage but probably havent ridden it for 10 years.

[DOD]Asprilla · 2 Feb 2011 at 14:59

RDM said:
Also the driving licence is the licence to drive a car, it isn't a licence for the car to be on the road.

Nope, but your VED disc is.

bloodiedathame · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:01

[DOD]Asprilla;18373971 said:
Yes, I nearly slap myself for being so pedantic when I arrive at an ASL to find a loads of motorbike filling it and blocking it. I find it partcularly amusing when they take up the whole right lane at one junction I use, especially as they are going straight on (no right turn for motor vehicles) and I'm going right and have to move across to the right lane once the motorbikes have raced off, but before the cars have caught up. I love that one.

This is the thing I don't get; everyone slags of cyclists and say they are a law unto themselves, but shake of any implication that they themselves should follow the rule of law as 'silly'.

Chill Winston.

[DOD]Asprilla · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:04

bloodiedathame said:
Chill Winston.

I take it that means you know you are wrong, but you can't bring yourself to admit it?

Motorbikes in ASLs is dangerous, illegal and shouldn't be condoned. Not much different from cyclists running red lights then.....

RDM · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:05

[DOD]Asprilla;18374216 said:
Nope, but your VED disc is.

Not really. It isn't a licence for the car to be used on the road. It is certainly one of the requirements for legally driving a vehicle. The statement was that bikes are on the road by right (which seems to be difficult to back up) and that cars are only on the road by licence (which again seems to be difficult to back up). Surely for someone that gets so irate with the trite "Well you should pay road tax" from those that argue against cyclists you should also be as against trite statements such as the above?

Sp00n · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:07

[DOD]Asprilla;18374205 said:
One of the reasons I've never done the L2B. It's baisically an event for people who have a bike in their garage but probably havent ridden it for 10 years.

Yea that sounds about right, most of the pro riders get here nice and early then it's just thousands upon thousands of other cyclists.

bloodiedathame · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:11

[DOD]Asprilla;18374253 said:
Nope. It's dangerous, illegal and shouldn't be condoned. Not much different from running red lights then.....

You haven't actually posed a counter argument, more just spewed opinion... What would you like me to say? Respond to your trolling opinion? Or will you offer some sort of formed counter response to mine?

I would also like to point out that from your lurid statements it seems you are talking from the opinion of someone sat in a nice safe car and as such you don't have to really think about trying to stay away potentially dozy or agressive road users.

Maybe get on a bicycle or motorbike in London and see what I mean? You'll soon be hopping to the front trying to avoid idiots changing lanes without looking or people stepping out between stopped cars.

*There is nothing wrong with stopping at a red light... which is what I do.

iamTakeo · 2 Feb 2011 at 15:11

The van man's actions were out of line, but I think the cyclist triggered it just by yelling.

This happened to me when I was walking on a pedestrian 'lane' in a car park, a car started reversing into me without looking, I slapped the car with my hand to make noise and shouted 'hey', otherwise he would have pushed me over.

But this caused him to get out the car and nearly start a fight with me. In hindsight, even though I was walking in a designated place, its best not expect other people to take any notice of you, and actively assume they didn't notice you.