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If someone came up with a hoody and keyed your car while you were in it and ran off you couldn't trace them either.
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If someone came up with a hoody and keyed your car while you were in it and ran off you couldn't trace them either.
Oh I know, completely and utterly unworkable, I just like the moral outrage when it is suggested.
However from my personal experience it is more often than not the cyclists fault. Oh and I do drive as well so this is not the view of some rabid cyclist.
Are you sure you mean what you think you mean? Because that sentence above reads that it is the cyclists fault more often than not.
In that video the van was clearly wrong... However, even if I was a perfectly driver, the cyclist saying 'I think you should get back in the van' seems fairly condescending an inflammatory to me... If I was a crazy van driver in a huff I'd have probably knocked his block off if he didn't have a camera on... Suppose that's the best thing about them!
I don't have much experience cycling in busy urban areas, but I can see the problems being the same - cars and cyclists just go at different speeds - there's no way I could go up a steep hill at 30mph, but a car obviously could, and car drivers getting held up is going to make them frustrated. But really, on narrow roads, there isn't really anything the cyclist can do, except hope the cars leave enough space when they overtake... The only solution for that kind of problem is a complete overhaul of how junctions and roads are planned, but as even modern junctions often don't have provision for cyclists, and most roads are far too narrow for a cycle lane, there doesn't seem to be much hope.
"All that is needed is to strap the camera on, set the hard drive recording and away you go."
- Strange, most of them don't seem to use hard drives from a brief google...
I don't have much experience cycling in busy urban areas, but I can see the problems being the same - cars and cyclists just go at different speeds - there's no way I could go up a steep hill at 30mph, but a car obviously could, and car drivers getting held up is going to make them frustrated. But really, on narrow roads, there isn't really anything the cyclist can do, except hope the cars leave enough space when they overtake... The only solution for that kind of problem is a complete overhaul of how junctions and roads are planned, but as even modern junctions often don't have provision for cyclists, and most roads are far too narrow for a cycle lane, there doesn't seem to be much hope.
"All that is needed is to strap the camera on, set the hard drive recording and away you go."
- Strange, most of them don't seem to use hard drives from a brief google...
Im going to get flamed just like everyone else who has even remotely suggested the cyclist could hold some blame for this incident.
The way i see the clip
1, the van driver initially passes the cyclist, yes he did this on the approach to a junction which he shouldn't of but he was past the cyclist before he slowed for the junction. during this manoeuvre the van gave the cyclist plenty of room.
2, at the junction the cyclist tries to pass the van on the inside by putting them selfs into a space the will always shrink (Fault Cyclist, he should never to tried that overtake)
3, now comes the part i believe the van driver was prosecuted for. The cyclist manages to squeeze past on the bend then the van driver immediately starts overtaking again giving no room for the cyclist and forcing them to slam on there breaks or hit the parked cars (Fault van driver, he should have given way to the cyclist)
so in summery i believe the van driver was prosecuted for what happened after the junction and it was a result of the cyclist doing a banzai manoeuvre into a closing gap at the junction.
The way i see the clip
1, the van driver initially passes the cyclist, yes he did this on the approach to a junction which he shouldn't of but he was past the cyclist before he slowed for the junction. during this manoeuvre the van gave the cyclist plenty of room.
2, at the junction the cyclist tries to pass the van on the inside by putting them selfs into a space the will always shrink (Fault Cyclist, he should never to tried that overtake)
3, now comes the part i believe the van driver was prosecuted for. The cyclist manages to squeeze past on the bend then the van driver immediately starts overtaking again giving no room for the cyclist and forcing them to slam on there breaks or hit the parked cars (Fault van driver, he should have given way to the cyclist)
so in summery i believe the van driver was prosecuted for what happened after the junction and it was a result of the cyclist doing a banzai manoeuvre into a closing gap at the junction.
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I'm referring to pedal bikes in case you're talking about cars/motorbikes. Standard example would be the 3 way junction whereby cars actually do not change speed or direction and i just move along side + also empty but still red on some roads.
You hit me, it might be my fault or yours. If its mine then i'll try to get out of there, walking, if the bike is totalled. If its your fault then i'd except cash to replace/fix bike and settle it.
If i hit you, and my bike is working, id just cycle away.. tough luck, give more space next time, nobody on a bike intentionally wants to crash into a car because bikes damage easily.
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I don't need high vis as I am in London there are a ridiculous number of street lights, if someone cant see me they shouldn't be driving and that's that.
I agree with you that people should not cycle on the pavement, i never do that.
As for lights, it doesn't make it more likely to have an accident, there is very little risk to everything i do, you and others think its risky or dangerous when its not
One incident i remember is this, guy on right lane turns into road on left, cutting me off completely (he did not even signal, and fyi traffic lights were green)... What happened is that i slid along the car, as he was turning, and im turning with the car, eventually he stops, i cannot stop in time, i smash off his side mirror with my hand guards (not intentional).
Then im like *************.. Then i cycle off.
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Lol, look at the state of him! (the cyclist)
Most definitely a vegetarian eco-mentalist.
The cyclist should have backed down. The van had overtaken him.
Van driver looks like a chavvy thug and his reaction was stupid. Six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Also, why did the cylist have to break and hit the van?? He had plenty of room to his left to just let it go.
Most definitely a vegetarian eco-mentalist.
The cyclist should have backed down. The van had overtaken him.
Van driver looks like a chavvy thug and his reaction was stupid. Six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
Also, why did the cylist have to break and hit the van?? He had plenty of room to his left to just let it go.
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As I pointed out before.
It's pretty rare that a cyclist will have caused serious damage to a car, even if it's their fault.
For example if you jumped a red light and hit a car coming across the other way. Which vehicle do you think is going take the damage here? It's the cyclist walking home with the bent wheel. The driver may have a rubber tyre mark, or at worst a small dent... but do you think any cyclist who has just wrecked his bike like that is going to be hopping back on it and doing a runner from you.... I think not.
All I'm trying to point out is that it takes some doing to damage a car with a push bike. Deliberate criminal damage is something totally different.
It's pretty rare that a cyclist will have caused serious damage to a car, even if it's their fault.
For example if you jumped a red light and hit a car coming across the other way. Which vehicle do you think is going take the damage here? It's the cyclist walking home with the bent wheel. The driver may have a rubber tyre mark, or at worst a small dent... but do you think any cyclist who has just wrecked his bike like that is going to be hopping back on it and doing a runner from you.... I think not.
All I'm trying to point out is that it takes some doing to damage a car with a push bike. Deliberate criminal damage is something totally different.
He was prosecuted for dangerous driving, both maneuvers were stupid.
In the initial stage of the video he cuts across the cyclist from the other lane and is pretty much still straddling the white line as he takes the corner. The cyclist was clearly traveling at some pace and so the van driver has essentially turned in on him in a very stupid move. How is that not obvious even to a non cyclist?
That's pretty much exactly how I see it, the cyclist willfully put himself in the situation. Before the turn there was plenty of room. However, after the turn the van drivers actions were clearly dangerous. Pig headed cyclist plus typical van man equals trouble.
That's not my experience. Every time I've seen a cyclist do something stupid, he's in a full lycra gimp suit, and is powering along at the kinds of speed I wish I could achieve on a bike. I've never seen it from someone in what I would call "normal clothes".
Well you should come to London then.
That said, a lot of people must cycle to work in Bristol if you are from Bristol City, so it's no doubt the same there.
As I pointed out before, somebody like you described is less likely to be running red lights and stuff, if nothing more than preventing themselves from getting in an accident that damages the bike.
In my experience it's because if a cyclist is going much faster and thus closing distance quicker than your average cyclist it doesn't mix well with motorists that don't look hard enough to see the thin profile of a bike approaching.
If someone doesn't see a fast cyclist, the cyclist has a long stopping distance and very little protection against injury.
Bristol has loads of cyclists. Even on days where's it's slinging down with rain, it's freezing cold, it's dark, and it's windy, even then I encounter half a dozen cyclists on my daily commute to work and back. They must be bonkers to want to cycle in those conditions, but more power to them.
But getting back to the point, it means I have had plenty of opportunity to witness cyclists doing dumb things. Like trying to run me over on a pedestrian crossing, running red lights on a blind junction, swerving to the right when a car is overtaking them, etc, etc. And almost every time, it has been Lycraman. In fact, I can't think of a single incident involving Normalman.
I don't think they care about their bikes. I think they care more about shaving an extra few seconds off their record time on a given route, or maintaining a slightly better average speed than last time. I mean that's just speculation of course, but it's the only reason I can think of for such recklessness.
I just think that's odd, as the majority I see, both as a cyclist, pedestrian and motorist are just people in normal clothing or just regular commuting attire. I actually find lycra in general is in the minority for people commuting, not many wear it.
Try the first post maybe, on the BBC website....
It's also on Youtube though from when it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcKONQGTtE