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you have to be stoned to believe all this nonsense!!
Interesting documentary about cannabis
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These recent documentaries are more like propaganda rather than interesting insights into the cannabis plant and its history. They get "cool young people" to host it and make out theyre with cool and the gang but slowly the host changes his tune, after they interview a mental health patient that also smokes weed, Everyone must be like him! or on that last program the host was basically saying weed is the cause of organised crime, not the fact that it being illegal is why its a money maker for organised crime. This propaganda started way way back with such films as Reefer madnesss back in 1936, all they are designed to do is sway public opinion. If you want to watch a decent documentary about cannabis then watch "The Union" 
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I'm in two minds about legalisation. I can see the pros of it, but at the same time like any drug, taken in excess is hugely negative (look at alcohol).
The next one will be cocaine, on paper, less dangerous than even alcohol... but then where does that leave the country if people are legally getting high all over the place?
Initially I guess we'd have a spike of madness? Then once the fuss has worn off it'll die down? Like the lottery when it first started, everyone went mad for it, now the prizes are half of that they used to be.
I've had my share of experiences and whilst all enjoyable, I'm not sure how I'd feel about them being legalised. One positive is the lack of being nicked for having it, the other though, is the lack of responsible use. Recreational drug use is just that, recreational - some people, however, cannot draw the line between a bit of fun and long term use.
Would the balance between A&E/NHS resources outweigh that of the police time saved for prosecutions? Would the number of deaths or incidents owing to drug abuse increase/decrease, again straining the resources on our already shaky infrastructure?
Then again the police would still be needing to enforce the D&D laws which may become more prominent. Furthermore, employers would need to cover themsevles for this - you can't have people working for you who are not being productive owing to hangovers or being high.
Regulating it would cause perhaps as much issues as leaving it illegal? I really don't know what the answer is.
Weed use is prominent all over the place, cocaine is just as common... I'm trying to think what it'd be like to live in a place where getting high was "ok". I don't know if I'd like it. Would people who never tried it be tempted to try?
It's a tough call.
The next one will be cocaine, on paper, less dangerous than even alcohol... but then where does that leave the country if people are legally getting high all over the place?
Initially I guess we'd have a spike of madness? Then once the fuss has worn off it'll die down? Like the lottery when it first started, everyone went mad for it, now the prizes are half of that they used to be.
I've had my share of experiences and whilst all enjoyable, I'm not sure how I'd feel about them being legalised. One positive is the lack of being nicked for having it, the other though, is the lack of responsible use. Recreational drug use is just that, recreational - some people, however, cannot draw the line between a bit of fun and long term use.
Would the balance between A&E/NHS resources outweigh that of the police time saved for prosecutions? Would the number of deaths or incidents owing to drug abuse increase/decrease, again straining the resources on our already shaky infrastructure?
Then again the police would still be needing to enforce the D&D laws which may become more prominent. Furthermore, employers would need to cover themsevles for this - you can't have people working for you who are not being productive owing to hangovers or being high.
Regulating it would cause perhaps as much issues as leaving it illegal? I really don't know what the answer is.
Weed use is prominent all over the place, cocaine is just as common... I'm trying to think what it'd be like to live in a place where getting high was "ok". I don't know if I'd like it. Would people who never tried it be tempted to try?
It's a tough call.
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You already do live in a place where people get high its called booze, which is far more dangerous and anti social . So really by your analysis we should prohibit alcohol
You know the one that actually kills....Portugal is the best case study for this sort of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
It's happening everywhere you look, most high flyers are coked off their **** most of the time.
I know of CEO's that do their fair share.
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Absolutely.... I agree.
You already do live in a place where people get high its called booze, which is far more dangerous and anti social . So really by your analysis we should prohibit alcohol
Yes you're absolutely right, however, I was just addressing the specifics of those illegal drugs.
Alcohol does have it's problems, and it is regulated, but it doesn't stop the abuse - so legalising other drugs won't stop it's abuse... However, which is worse? Dodgy cut drugs, or controlled substances that are tried and tested?It's a tough one! It'll be a brave man to take on that argument in the commons!
last i checked you dont risk getting hiv from smoking cannabis and you dont inject cannabis resin either
Yes you're absolutely right, however, I was just addressing the specifics of those illegal drugs.
It's a tough one! It'll be a brave man to take on that argument in the commons!
I thought we were talking about Marijuana, not coke or any other substance, you can't compare it to any other drug.
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I think if Marijuana was legal then they may struggle to draw the line with other drugs in the future?? Although having said that Marijuana apparently has never killed anyone....certainly a decision I'd never want to make.
For many years in my teens I was an avid stoner, all in good fun and it pittered out by the time A-Levels got serious and I needed to get results. What I have found is that most of the friends I used to smoke with in one way or another have come to the conclusion that weed had become a psychological dependency in that they couldn't do anything "fun" without it, which has lead to all sorts of results.
After recently getting back in touch with my mate, who was my best mate till I rolled off to uni and he just got baked, it turns out after years of weed abuse he had found himself dependant on it to the point his personality had melted into a paranoid mess and ended up being sectioned under the mental health act. The lines "it only happens in rare cases" or "he probably had other issues and couldn't hack it" does in some ways apply here as we spoke of another friend who's gone to uni and just forced him self off the stuff as it wasnt doing him any good socially or in uni. But the common thing was it was an addiction and it was having a heavily detrimental effect on their lives, and as such should be treated like all drugs and be banned.
No one seems to realise that in the Netherlands weed is illegal but a policy of toleration is used to control the use of the substance, and in the case of Amsterdam, overly fund a tourist industry. Only Portugal has legalised it, but not in the sense that you can do what you like to your self, instead you are treated as an addict, like a heroin addict, for all drugs. This probably is a less desirable case (for smokers) than the current system as there is nothing stopping the state from lifting your a sticking you in re-hab after a few joints.
As for state regulation, the logistics of growing and distributing it are beyond implausible. It's unrealistic for the state to grow it in a regulated manner, so it would have to be a private company, but only one private company would be against competition laws so it would become a market and would not protect the end user at all, so no regulation.
Anyway long post aside, after some life experience, getting baked is a good little giggle, but as a realistic hobby, something to enjoy like drinking or as something that can be legislated to legalise its impossible to change the attitude that its the states responsibility to help those that harm themselves in any manner.
After recently getting back in touch with my mate, who was my best mate till I rolled off to uni and he just got baked, it turns out after years of weed abuse he had found himself dependant on it to the point his personality had melted into a paranoid mess and ended up being sectioned under the mental health act. The lines "it only happens in rare cases" or "he probably had other issues and couldn't hack it" does in some ways apply here as we spoke of another friend who's gone to uni and just forced him self off the stuff as it wasnt doing him any good socially or in uni. But the common thing was it was an addiction and it was having a heavily detrimental effect on their lives, and as such should be treated like all drugs and be banned.
No one seems to realise that in the Netherlands weed is illegal but a policy of toleration is used to control the use of the substance, and in the case of Amsterdam, overly fund a tourist industry. Only Portugal has legalised it, but not in the sense that you can do what you like to your self, instead you are treated as an addict, like a heroin addict, for all drugs. This probably is a less desirable case (for smokers) than the current system as there is nothing stopping the state from lifting your a sticking you in re-hab after a few joints.
As for state regulation, the logistics of growing and distributing it are beyond implausible. It's unrealistic for the state to grow it in a regulated manner, so it would have to be a private company, but only one private company would be against competition laws so it would become a market and would not protect the end user at all, so no regulation.
Anyway long post aside, after some life experience, getting baked is a good little giggle, but as a realistic hobby, something to enjoy like drinking or as something that can be legislated to legalise its impossible to change the attitude that its the states responsibility to help those that harm themselves in any manner.
Do you have any further explanation to this?
The pharmaceutical, food, chemical, agricultural and alcohol industries would disagree with that.
We're surprisingly good at making standardised products, something to do with the entirety of western civilisation being based on it.
To elaborate on the logistical point (as the arguments of what it does doesn't seem to be as important)
Its logistically difficult in the sense that when we have your standard product it wont be the same as the illegal products readily available now, and there is no assurance that giving a legal version will attract those that are breaking the law currently. We might be good at making a standardised product but this is a production like alcohol in the sense that there isnt a standardised alcohol and there wont be a standardised weed making it harder to regulate/produce, and difficult to implement in regulating the different bits of weed that effect you.
That wont be a legal possibility as it takes away from the state regulation aspect of changing the law, with the comparison to alcohol (which is the best direct comparison) its not really recommended you make your own drink (out side of a little home brew beer) as things like potchene (home made irish potato spirit) have very bad health effects if not done right. I know growing a plan isnt hard, but the overall health implications are that you can basically self medicate your self which wouldn't be the aim of legalising this sort of thing (you'd be treated as an addict like in Portugal)
Its logistically difficult in the sense that when we have your standard product it wont be the same as the illegal products readily available now, and there is no assurance that giving a legal version will attract those that are breaking the law currently. We might be good at making a standardised product but this is a production like alcohol in the sense that there isnt a standardised alcohol and there wont be a standardised weed making it harder to regulate/produce, and difficult to implement in regulating the different bits of weed that effect you.
That wont be a legal possibility as it takes away from the state regulation aspect of changing the law, with the comparison to alcohol (which is the best direct comparison) its not really recommended you make your own drink (out side of a little home brew beer) as things like potchene (home made irish potato spirit) have very bad health effects if not done right. I know growing a plan isnt hard, but the overall health implications are that you can basically self medicate your self which wouldn't be the aim of legalising this sort of thing (you'd be treated as an addict like in Portugal)
do you even understand what cannabis is because it doesnt sound like it
btw there are hundreds of different strains of cannabis just like there are many different varietys of apples etc.
there is no harm in self medicating cannabis and i dont even like that word it makes it sound like its risky or harmful when people a lot more educated than you and i say its not.
even the large pharmaceutical company that extracts the thc and cbd from cannabis and sticks in it a spray claim there spray has no side effects and no patients suffer withdrawal symptons , cannabis can not be any different if this is the case...
I assume you mean poitín, it's not spelt phoenetically.
Alcohol is alcohol, don't understand what you mean by standardised. Illegal drugs are sold by pharmaceutical companies, in fact much of the illegal amphetamine comes from diverted prescriptions in the USA. It's exactly the same product.