Interesting documentary about cannabis

[tom91x91]

All I can say is zolpiden + alcohol and possible valium has been a bad combination. Those are all quite easy to get hold of....

lolz thats a great combo except you dont remember anything

Is MDAI even popular? Judging by it's MoA I honestly can't imagine it being that pleasurable.

nope not at all its barely noticeable from what ive heard.

(this thread is getting a bit dodgy)

 

[Jonny ///M]

lolz thats a great combo except you dont remember anything



nope not at all its barely noticeable from what ive heard.

(this thread is getting a bit dodgy)

Well.....I woke up in somebody elses house, crashed my car into a kerb, nearly lost my job and all in all can't remember any of the night before.

 

[Tony Williams]

Phat line of Phenazapam TIME, mummy will thank me in the morning time ... or next week. I am off to sleep for 5-6 days. It's the new me - awake for one week, asleep for the next, new lifestyle, some Swedish thing they did back in 1920 - it's goood yanno, feeels good mern, probs the drugs doooeee.

+ Johnny m - you're dead 'ard!!! 'ard lad, no hoolagan, doesn't want ne' bother.

 

[Jonny ///M]

Phat line of Phenazapam TIME, mummy will thank me in the morning time ... or next week. I am off to sleep for 5-6 days. It's the new me - awake for one week, asleep for the next, new lifestyle, some Swedish thing they did back in 1920 - it's goood yanno, feeels good mern, probs the drugs doooeee.

+ Johnny m - you're dead 'ard!!! 'ard lad, no hoolagan, doesn't want ne' bother.

Well done. Have a medal.

Any drug can be bad if you abuse it is the point I'm making really.

 

[PapaLazaru]

to one degree it's not addictive like you'll get withdrawals or feel ill without

Disagree on that through personal experience.

Never felt ill, but certainly got serious withdrawal symptoms. It got so bad that I would crave it as I did not have any, then obtain some, then go to sleep without smoking any as I knew I had it in my possession.

I am a firm believer in the decriminalization of drugs. Get them off the street. But I do believe that cannabis is one of the worst of all.

 

[tom91x91]

Disagree on that through personal experience.

Never felt ill, but certainly got serious withdrawal symptoms. It got so bad that I would crave it as I did not have any, then obtain some, then go to sleep without smoking any as I knew I had it in my possession.

I am a firm believer in the decriminalization of drugs. Get them off the street. But I do believe that cannabis is one of the worst of all.

You cant call it 'serious' withdrawal though really? Your not throwing up out of both ends, covered in sweat and in pain (opiates) or having seizures and hallucinating (alcohol), I have no experience myself but i thought people that stop cannabis just get things like insomnia for a week or two and a bit of irritability?

Correct me if im wrong though, and yes you're right, cannabis caused some horrible mental changes for me (triggered anxiety which i now need therapy to handle) and was the start of me ruining my teenage years. I agree with decriminalization and educate people properly on drugs is the best way to go.

 

[Meridian]

No, 4MEC is very common at the moment THROUGH OUT EU - WELL KNOWN CHINESE SUPPLIERS ARE SELLING 4MEC AS 4MEC and MORE THAN JUST ONE. 4MMC was made illegal in the UK but was still very easy to get!! it wasn't until it was banned in most of EU and even CHINA it became more and more common. My friend receives this stuff in large amounts and it is long and shardy -he brings it into the country himself - what means it's common is he has seen other people with HIS EXACT batch too (long+shardy) in some cases the 4MEC has been cut down further with more chems.

How is it 4MEC? He had lab test done.

I have used this stuff myself and the effects to me are very similer to decent 4MMC but shorter duration is noted and some other side effects - other people report more side effects.

What lab test? By who? What equipment? What level of expertese at interpreting the answer? You can't just shove this stuff down a mass spec (assuming that it even went that advanced) and expect an answer to pop out: there a lot of very similar chemicals around which are also isomers of each other. Can your friend tell the difference between dimethyl-4-methcathinone and 4-methyethcathinone for example? I see another druggie who thinks taking the stuff makes them an expert on what is in a packet. A fair proportion of the stuff being marketed now is not even marketed by a technical name, just a "brand" like "Ivory Wave" etc. Most of them can and do contain just about anything: I've not seen two packets of (for instance) NRG-3 which contain the same thing. Even where they do have a proper name written on them, less than 20% contain what the wrapper says. And that is at import level, not street level.

And saying that things like MDAI have little effect is missing my point: that people are changing what they take to stay this side of the law, contrary to what some pro-legalisation people suggest.


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[arknor]

What I am trying to argue is that it is impractical to legalise something that has never been legal in the sense that anyone can just do it, like walking. It is something that can not be regulated to ensure that, for example, a train driver cant turn up to work baked or (what we used to call) monged over (where your drowsey and not really with it the next day) and can't performance their work properly.

it hasnt?

and what stops a train driver from turning up to work drunk ? off his face on redbull

19 AD. Earliest dated records of cannabis pollen in the United Kingdom. After this date cannabis is used legally by thousands (if not millions) of people.
In 1928: Cannabis became illegal in the United Kingdom as a class B drug.

In 2004: Cannabis was downgraded to a class C substance. Consequentially there was a "significant fall in its use" and a "50 per cent rise in the number of people" seeking "medical treatment after using the drug".

In 2008: The government commissioned a study into the effects of downgrading cannabis from a class B to a class C.

On May 7, 2008: Against the advice of the government's own commissioned report, the Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, announced the government’s intention to once again reclassify cannabis as a class B drug. Then-prime minister Gordon Brown announced that the government would set aside the findings of the committee.

On 26 January 2009: Cannabis was reclassified as a Class B substance.

In November 2009: Professor David Nutt was asked to resign from his position as chairman of the Government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs by the then Home Secretary (Alan Johnson), after publishing in a professional journal figures which indicated that cannabis was less harmful than both alcohol and tobacco. Several other members of the Advisory Council resigned in protest.
Afterwards, discussions were being focused towards imposing a new 'code of conduct'; in order to avoid any similar action in future, rather than of the issue at hand (that being the legality of the plant cannabis itself) also this is not under Common law offences, the basis for Statutory law in the UK.

On 17 August 2010: Professor Sir Ian Gilmore criticised prohibition, revitalising the topic in hand.
On 14 September 2010: Professor Roger Pertwee suggests that "policymakers should consider the setting up of a committee to license the sale of recreational cannabis."
On 18 September 2010: "Tim Hollis, chairman of the Association of Chief Police Officers’ drugs committee" says that he "does not want to criminalise people caught with minor amounts of substances such as cannabis."

On 20 September 2010: "Ewan Hoyle, founder of Liberal Democrats for Drug Policy Reform, says [that his] party should support [the] legalisation [of cannabis]".
On 3 October 2010: Presenter Evan Davis compared “having a spliff” with potentially risky activities (like skiing), whilst interviewing Lord Young.
On 11 October 2010: Welsh actor and musician, Rhys Ifans "calls for cannabis decriminalisation" or legalisation within the United Kingdom.

On the same day: An editorial in the British Medical Journal, written by Professor Robin Room, suggested "that the sale of cannabis should be licensed like cigarettes because banning it had not worked".

On 1 November 2010: Professor David Nutt publishes a paper which classes alcohol as being more dangerous than cannabis or heroin under a new 'points system'.

On 7 November 2010: Lord Taverne asked at question time in the House of Lords: "If the Government believes in evidence-based policy, is it not obvious in light of this [David Nutt's] report and many other reports that make similar conclusions that the present classification of Ecstasy in class A and cannabis in class B is not in any way based on evidence of the physical or the social impact?
On 10 November 2010: Cartrain manages to smuggle in and light up a joint in the House of Commons, shouting "decriminalise cannabis" whilst being hauled out by the police.

On 16 December 2010: Bob Ainsworth, the former minister and Home Office Parliamentary Under-Secretary with responsibility for Drugs and Organised Crime explains why he thinks certian illict substances should be legalised.

On the same day: Peter Lilley, the former Tory deputy leader, said that he favoured legalising cannabis, while continuing the ban on hard drugs.
On 27 December 2010: Liam Smith labels Bob Ainsworth a "coward" for refusing to act when he had the power to do so. In defence Bob Ainsworth says: “If I had put forward the views that I was slowly developing as a minister then, I would have had to resign."

 

[Sp00n]

The only thing that is impracticable about it imo is that you cannot create a "limit" like you can with alcohol, I would imagine it would have to come down to other factors like eye reactivity to light or something along those lines (even that I'm not sure about).

Disagree on that through personal experience.

Never felt ill, but certainly got serious withdrawal symptoms. It got so bad that I would crave it as I did not have any, then obtain some, then go to sleep without smoking any as I knew I had it in my possession.

Sounds like you've got an addictive personality

The withdrawal symptoms I get are usually pretty good, memory improves, no hangovers in the morning. I have been known to get a bit crave it but that's more down to routine and the tobacco than anything, I just ignore it and it goes away

 

[LeJosh]

A friend of mine was a pot smoker, I was too for that matter. From smoking dope he has developed schizophrenia. Granted, he used to smoke a lot, we are trying to work out if he was already predisposed and the pot activated it or if it was just down to the pot completely.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste and I think if it was much more freely available - more people would become victim to it.

I feel very conflicted about it, I like the idea of personal freedom but what has happened to my friend makes me very sad he's lost his spark, hears voices and will have to spend the rest of his life medicated.

It didn't give him schizophrenia.

I'm not even sure if it would have helped induce more symptoms. It was probably there all along.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Cannabis can be a very dangerous drug even in small quantity's for some, I know this is purely anecdotal evidence but I've seen cannabis effect a number of people adversely even after taking a small quantity, some have ended up suffering from years of panic attacks and anxiety issues that have destroyed their life, some have even been pushed into psychosis, now I have no doubt that these people already had underlining issues but I know in my heart that cannabis helped bring them to the surface.

 

[LeJosh]

Cannabis can be a very dangerous drug even in small quantity's for some, I know this is purely anecdotal evidence but I've seen cannabis effect a number of people adversely even after taking a small quantity, some have ended up suffering from years of panic attacks and anxiety issues that have destroyed their life, some have even been pushed into psychosis, now I have no doubt that these people already had underlining issues but I know in my heart that cannabis helped bring them to the surface.

Anything out of moderation can do mental damage though.

Some people just can't handle being high. They panic because it isn't normal, not the weeds fault.

 

[krooton]

This is very similar to what happened to my good mate, though he had to spend 2 months at the end of last year in a mental institute for not being able to cope. He's responded fairly well to the medication but at least has started to get some real personality back because he's not getting baked.

Some people become alcoholics and develop mental and physical issues. They are the minority of alcohol users. Should alcohol be banned as well?

Peanuts can kill a subsection of society, should they be banned for consumption by anyone?

 

[Things change I've changed]

Anything out of moderation can do mental damage though.

Some people just can't handle being high. They panic because it isn't normal, not the weeds fault.

It doesn't even have to be out of moderation though, I've seen with my own eyes a girl that had a joint for the first time and ended up having a whitey, she just couldn't handle it and for years she suffered from severe panic attacks, it ruined her life.

So yes your right, some people just can't handle being high but how do you know that until you've tried it?

It's like a ticking time bomb for some people but you can't even hear the tick.

 

[LeJosh]

It doesn't even have to be out of moderation though, I've seen with my own eyes a girl that had a joint for the first time and ended up having a whitey, she just couldn't handle it and for years she suffered from severe panic attacks, it ruined her life.

So yes your right, some people just can't handle being high but how do you know that until you've tried it?

It's like a ticking time bomb for some people but you can't even hear the tick.

Too easy to blame the weed in this case. There are a lot more extenuating circumstances contributing to her panic attacks and having a blow once wasn't the main ingredient.

But I could say in your favor that the weed strain was too strong and there was too much in said joint, I don't know those specifics though.

 

[Sp00n]

It doesn't even have to be out of moderation though, I've seen with my own eyes a girl that had a joint for the first time and ended up having a whitey, she just couldn't handle it and for years she suffered from severe panic attacks, it ruined her life.

So yes your right, some people just can't handle being high but how do you know that until you've tried it?

It's like a ticking time bomb for some people but you can't even hear the tick.

History of family mental issues?

 

[Things change I've changed]

Too easy to blame the weed in this case. There are a lot more extenuating circumstances contributing to her panic attacks and having a blow once wasn't the main ingredient.

But I could say in your favor that the weed strain was too strong and there was too much in said joint, I don't know those specifics though.

Regardless of whether it was the main ingredient or not it was what started it, or rather brought a potentially pre-existing underlying problem to the surface which may of otherwise not happened.

 

[LeJosh]

Regardless of whether it was the main ingredient or not it was what started it, or rather brought a potentially pre-existing underlying problem to the surface which may of otherwise not happened.

No, it doesn't just cause it and bring out all those mental issues. If at all, you'd have to smoke a lot and I mean a lot. Not just a joint.

 

[arknor]

i smoked cannabis for 10 years from around 15 to 25 and i never had any mental issues and neither did anyone i used to smoke with which was about 40 different people.

people aparently developing mental issues from sniffing a joint seems a bit to common in every cannabis thread on a regular forum.

i wonder how many of the smokers in florida have developed mental issues because it all seems a bit hearsay

 

[LeJosh]

I personally think it is more of a scapegoat rather than admitting mental health issues were all ways a problem.

Some people are proud. Too proud to admit that they themselves had a fault in their brain.