The future direction of BMW
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[TW]Fox;18537763 said:
I would like an M-Sport one, but the difference in price of an 335i M-sport vs an SE is crazy. And the E92 SE isn't different enough from the M-Sport to persuade me, unlike the E46 SE vs Sport. By next year i think £14k for a just sub-60k mile 2007 335i SE, will be very much middle of the market - i won't be able to get the 18-19k 2009-2010 examples, but i won't be digging around in the £10-11k 100k miles, no i-drived ones either.
Basically i would be happy with a 335i SE with i-Drive and possibly the Logic-7 options. Oh and i would definitely be taking out the BMW Comprehensive warranty when i got it.
[TW]Fox;18537763 said:
Which would be the engine i wanted if i was going for a 330i. I'm just watching the E92 "market" at the moment and seeing what i think i'll be able to get in 12 months time.
[TW]Fox;18537860 said:You think in 1 years time a 2010 335i will be £18k!?
It's not going to drop £12k in 1 year! It hasnt even done that from new
I think you are being massively optimistic if I'm honest.
I said a 2009-2010 and £18-19k, which would mean that in 2012 they will be an 2-3 year old car (when i'm looking to buy), and considering i can get a 57 (3.5 years old)mile, 335i M-Sport with 50k on the clock for 18.5k at the moment, i wouldn't have said my figures were leagues off.
EDIT: These are the types of examples i would be looking at at since they are 14k ish now, i figured these would drop to around 12.5k by next year leaving me to spend £13.5k on the car then £500 for a warranty:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../postcode/co94ex/radius/1501/page/2?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../postcode/co94ex/radius/1501/page/2?logcode=p
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The lowest BMW produce is currently the MINI One D at 99g/km. Then there will be the 'i' brand to lower it further. Also Im not sure if the range 'average' actually includes sales volumes rather than just the model lineup available to buy.
JLR should be okay due to the opportunity presented by Tata and a new engine family being developed. Ultimately the luxury stuff is also more able to absorb the fines in their costs for the cars above the target. Funnily enough its only really PSA who are behind the target, that is of course due to them being the closest to achieving it.
From what I've seen there is not a massive push to get below 120g any time soon.
I've also been watching the market and I'm not seeing a wide range of 57 plate M Sport cars for 18k - not ones with iDrive.
You'll always get outlyers but as you know yourself once you view these cars you discover why they are priced as they are. The vast majority of 57 plate well specified 335i M Sport's are the wrong side of £20k.
This is to be expected given current Glass's Retail on a 40k mile 57 plate 335i M Sport Auto is £21225.
That said if you are happy to bin M Sport and IDrive..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2512451.htm
You'll always get outlyers but as you know yourself once you view these cars you discover why they are priced as they are. The vast majority of 57 plate well specified 335i M Sport's are the wrong side of £20k.
This is to be expected given current Glass's Retail on a 40k mile 57 plate 335i M Sport Auto is £21225.
That said if you are happy to bin M Sport and IDrive..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2512451.htm
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[TW]Fox;18537941 said:
This is a bit irrelevant to me anyway because i simply don't want to drop £18k. Hence why i'm looking at £14k 335i SE's in 2012.
[TW]Fox;18537941 said:
Quite. But unlike the ones i've looked at in the past, these will have only 1 or 2 owners and have full BMW service history. When i bought my car i was looking at 8 year old cars that had fallen into the £7k region, which is a totally different ball game to ones that are 5 years old and in the £14k region.
What's Glass's valuation of a 56 335i SE with circa 55k on the clock (with iDrive and 19's.
Bottom line, i think that in 2012, i should be able to get a decent 335i SE with £14k.
[TW]Fox;18537941 said:
I'd be happy to bin the M-Sport, but the iDrive and 19's are really a must for me*. I don't think i'd really want one without iDrive and considering most 335i's come with one i think i'd be a bit stupid not to get one.
Dealer, Glass's doesnt give private sale values.
19's suck because its £1100 for a set of tyres
I don't really think the older 335i's are ever going to be worth the bother. They cost £445 to tax which is just annoying when the newer ones are half that, you'll be buying them at the stage when they are approaching the age where warranty companies begin to get really funny about stuff. Shame BMW UK are not like BMW NA who have extended the warranty to 10 years on the ridiculously failure prone HPFP's. If it goes outside of warranty in this country, thats your £3k bill
Go for a newer one or get something else. Not sure what, mind.
19's suck because its £1100 for a set of tyres
I don't really think the older 335i's are ever going to be worth the bother. They cost £445 to tax which is just annoying when the newer ones are half that, you'll be buying them at the stage when they are approaching the age where warranty companies begin to get really funny about stuff. Shame BMW UK are not like BMW NA who have extended the warranty to 10 years on the ridiculously failure prone HPFP's. If it goes outside of warranty in this country, thats your £3k bill
Go for a newer one or get something else. Not sure what, mind.
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Just the line up surely? Otherwise the AM Cygnet would be pointless as they'd have to vastly outsell their other models to make the average work and they're never going to do that when the sales of it are restricted to existing AM owners
If it is based on volume, then restriced sales would imply AM employ some of the stupidest business strategists around
[TW]Fox;18538064 said:19's suck because its £1100 for a set of tyres
That's ridiculous. Can you ditch the runflats and still keep the warranty intact? The only 18's i like the look of are the 189's.
That black one i posted up with 18's looks like something i would go for (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../postcode/co94ex/radius/1501/page/2?logcode=p). It's got the warranty already (which means they won't piked on repairs because they wouldn't have to pay for them anyway), 47k miles, decent tyres, FBMWSH, iDrive and Logic 7. For £14.5k - and i've still got a years worth of depreciation to happen.
Whatever happens, we'll see i guess.
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Just the line up surely? Otherwise the AM Cygnet would be pointless as they'd have to vastly outsell their other models to make the average work and they're never going to do that when the sales of it are restricted to existing AM owners
If it is based on volume, then restriced sales would imply AM employ some of the stupidest business strategists around
Quite, the fleet average would float around more than Fox's next car choice
Gaygle suggested the volume would influence the average but I thought it would be best to respond with an education opinion rather than writing as fact, i didnt have a wiki link i could use afterall 
I'd have thought that it had to be fleet average not line-up average. Otherwise it's clearly open to manipulation! 200 different cars in the line-up anyone?
The Cygnet (even in small volumes) will bring Aston's overall average down quite a bit.
The Cygnet (even in small volumes) will bring Aston's overall average down quite a bit.
I prefer the power delivery of turbos, hence the 335i. It has a BMW warranty and ive changed the tyres to normal 17's which has made a difference.
I like the best of both worlds in that it has low down torque like a big diesel but really flies when revved too. Tax is £445, but I only plan on keeping it for a year more so one payment more isnt a big issue for me.
I like the best of both worlds in that it has low down torque like a big diesel but really flies when revved too. Tax is £445, but I only plan on keeping it for a year more so one payment more isnt a big issue for me.
What fuel economy are you getting with your 335i?
I want to test drive both the 330i and the 335i to compare the differences but my local dealership doesn't seem to have either.
What are you planning on buying next?
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Me too. Both cars are very rare.
I am swayed on one side by the appeal of 3 litres *and* two turbos with more than 300bhp. But I am pulled by the other side with numerous claims amongst people with quite impressive car histories complaining about how dull and boring the power delivery is in the 335i, how it tails off very fast at 5rpm and how a proper N/A a-la 330i is simply more enjoyable to drive, coupled with the sort of economy that 5 years ago you needed a diesel to obtain.
Because lets face it, both do 0-60 in 5.something so both are easily quick enough.
I dont find that power tails off at all Fox. It does yes, but much less so than anything else I have driven bar the Integra Type R
I would need to try a 330i but i dont expect it will feel right now.
GS, mpg is sitting bang on 30mpg average and I can get 37mpg on a reasonable mixed speed run
I would need to try a 330i but i dont expect it will feel right now.
GS, mpg is sitting bang on 30mpg average and I can get 37mpg on a reasonable mixed speed run
[TW]Fox;18547238 said:
I've heard that as well. I'm definitely swaying more towards the 330i just because I can't see enough of a difference performance wise between the two - at least not enough to justify the extra cost. I won't know until I've driven both of them though.
If I do decide to get one it's not going to be for at least another 12 months anyway which gives me time to research. Mind you, finding the perfect low mileage 330i Coupe M Sport with a manual box will probably take me 12 months!
That is impressive!