Your view on faith and religion is limited by your understanding of the concept and lack of basic knowledge.
You only prove the point now.
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Your view on faith and religion is limited by your understanding of the concept and lack of basic knowledge.
You only prove the point now.
Your perception is flawed because you do not believe in God. Losing a loved one is definately upsetting as we will have to go a certain amount of time without them, yet if you believe without any doubt that it was God who gave you your child in the first place, then you will find it easier to accept that one day God will also take them away. Death is not the end of everything, it is the transition from one stage to another.
A child being raped is a sick act by a twisted individual who will one day be brought to account for it. Mankind was created to sin, so you will never eliminate people doing wrong completely but for both the child who is raped, and the one committing the rape, both will get what is theirs once they have died.
Some people in this world are born into extreme poverty, they live a few miserable years and they die. Whereas other people are born into huge wealth and they spend their whole live enjoying everything they could without a second thought, but they too will die. They had no choice in the matter. The one who was poor may be praising their poverty once they have died as it was through such poverty they were never able to commit any sin, whereas the one who had wealth may be cursing it as it opened up many doors for them to sin, and they never used their wealth in any way that benefitted them.
Your link proves nothing. Do you know many scientists are religious, and many even reject the theory of evolution?
I am giving my opinion, nothing more.
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You mention my view on religion, my view is that I shouldn't have to abide by something that is totally non-logical, it's ridiculous (and neither should anyone else for that matter). Any sort of research and it's not hard to come to this simple conclusion.
To answer your question "Does your knowledge of religion goes back to Roman times only?" No, it doesn't. I was speaking in relation to the Catholic Religion and where it derived from.
Don't get me wrong, though. I do believe certain Religions hold great literature and poety, they're a great addition to today's moral patterns. But to be used as a belief system? I'd rather not.
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It does prove something that the whole argument for design is completely flawed to the bone down, Muslims like to discount physical evidence and decades of scientific work instead for a delusional book.
The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, you obviously do not understand that all physical sciences come together with immense evidence for evolution, you would have to be thick in the head to try and dispute evolution.
So what if some scientists do not understand evolution ( I hate the word of belief), some Muslims believe in Alien Anal probing but you don't count that as fact do you? Affirming the consequent is exactly what you are doing.
Ahh yes the classic some scientists believe in a god, now so what if they are did. It is a broad statement, one can imply that some believe in Thor/FSM/Jedism, it does not mean your religion. Another case of Affirming the consequent, a thing Muslims have come to pride themselves over the last few years.
No matter what intepretations one may have,you still have Zero evidence for the existence of your God. lulz at 6 days/8 days creation fiction.
What makes me giggle is when Religious people (say for example a Christian) attempt to use "logic" to slander people who dis-believe religion by using such statements as "many scientists believe in god and disblieve in evolution".
Like, I thought faith was kinda the ignorance of logic and the belief in the impossible?
Catholic Religion goes back to early Christianity in the 1st century. That derives from Judaism and that goes way back to first or second millennium B.C. Not really a young concept when speaking in terms of organised religion and is older than Romans.
Organised religion may be a controversial concept for some but it is an essential part of modern civilizations.
I don't think I've seen many (if any) intelligent Christians using such arguments. Most Christians I know or heard of believe in Darwin's evolution too.
That sounds to me like a load of claptrap. A family has to suffer through the death of their child, but it will all be better once they die? A young child has to suffer with being raped but it will be better once they die? Some people are born into and live in poverty, but it will be better once they die?
Why should any of that happen? If god is omnipotent, merciful and cares for his "children" then why not simply not kill the child in the first place? Why not simply not allow the child to be raped in the first place? Why not simply not have people born into poverty in the first place? Why inflict suffering in the first place, its like me saying I am going to break both your legs but it will all be ok in the end because I am going to drive you to work. Wouldnt it be better to simply not break my legs in the first place and just drive me to work.
My perception is flawed because I do not believe in god ? See this is one of the things that causes people to be so annoyed by "believers" , the whole holier than thou, I am right you are wrong attitude. The attitude that there is something wrong with me, that I am flawed , simply because I am not a believer. That I am wrong. I may be wrong about his existence, I may be right , the difference is I try not to take that superior standpoint and declare that the other person is somehow lesser because of their belief.
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And your definition of "exist" and "god" are? Can't prove that he exists, can't prove that he doesn't.
Don't you think that's all a bit contradictory?
how can you prevent such things and have free will, you simply can't. If you believe religion, he is leaving us to our own devices until 2nd coming.
Has someone slandered your mother or something? I find it amusing how personally you seem to take things.
Lol @ some scientists don't understand evolution, but you do don't you? Anyone who says anything against what you believe, obviously doesn't understand it hey. It sounds like you are following a religion here.
BTW I don't know which muslims you know who believe in alien anal probing, southpark fans I am guessing?
That is right, even SCIENTISTS do not all agree on certain SCIENTIFIC theories. Just as some theories in the past have been discredited and new ones proposed, we know that very little is set in stone.
So free will means you must suffer? A baby has to be raped simply to ensure free will? In what way is it caring or merciful to not stop a child being raped when its within your ability to do so? What about disasters? In what way is it caring to kill thousands of innocents with an earthquake or an asteroid hit or a volcano, when all could be easily avoided and none have anything to do with free will?
You seem like an intelligent person so I am sure you could grasp what I meant. Just because WE do not understand why such and such a person was killed, raped, beaten, or why such and such a criminal, murdered, rapist gets away with so much, doesn't mean that there is no God or no justice, because WE are limited in what we are able to perceive.
People try to attribute natural disasters as proof there isn't a God, when really it isnt.
edit: Or do you believe that it was just bad luck that some people were born into extreme poverty with hardly any water and no food, and then died and thats the very end of their existance whereas others were just fortunate? Does that make more sense to you? It doesn't to me, as I believe everything has to be balanced out one day, therefore, I believe the promise of God is true. Do you hate the idea of being called to account for all your actions and deeds?
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Not at all. I was raised a Christian but have never been thought that the Earth was created in a few days and that we were handmade by God.
I think it's what some Creationists believe in.
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Why not simply not have the natural disasters killing thousands in the first place?
Yes that's what I believe. Just as I believe that some chickens are born into the freedom of the wild and others are unfortunate to be born into captivity . As I say, I have no superiority over anything else, I am an animal just like any other, I don't get special treatment just because I am a human. I don't like or dislike being called into account for my actions and deeds. I made my choices and I live by them, if they are deemed to be wrong choices and I must suffer forever for them then so be it.
Surely though this whole question isn't going to just boil down to the cliche , god moves in mysterious ways and stuff happens because we can't understand though? That's like the ultimate cop out imo.
then he's not all powefull
Not at all. Somethings just can't happen at the same time.. he has chosen free will to be more important.