does God exist in space?

tibbsey said:
Quick couple of questions and I should mention (although it should be obvious from my questions) I'm not clued up on religion (I find it to be illogical and nonsensical).

1) How old does Christianity/<insert Religion here> reckon the Earth is/how long have humans been around?
Surely we have found fossils and stuff from WAY before this? Doesn't this kind of discount the theory? (OMG GOD PLANTED THE FOSSILSLOL)

2) If original sin is the cause of all the suffering and general baddyness that humanity experiences then how does God justify punishing BILLIONS of people for what some silly bint did years ago?
Also if God created Man and his Lady then God KNEW that they're/we're prone to stupidity, greed and whatnot, so wtf was he expecting?
"I know... I'll give them free will and then PUNISH THE **** OUT OF THEM SHOULD THEY USE IT! MUAHAHAHAHAHAA"
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1) Approximately 6,500 years old. Most people will deny this but carbon dating is very much fallable. The best argument for the fossils we have is the flood, that would give clear reasoning behind various strata/fossils deposited (one example has several strata layers with a big fat tree going right through it - hmm!)

Interesting articles on potassium/argon dating methods - I'm no scientist but certainly would make me think twice about hinging my whole belief system on a reportedly inaccurate method of dating.


2) Firstly, Eve isn't to blame for the original sin, it was Adam. Yes Eve ate of the forbidden fruit but read Genesis 3 and it is clear the blame for sin was squared fully at Adam (see Genesis 3v17 - God talking to Adam directly).

You don't think if Adam hasn't sinned someone else would have? Look at Cain & Abel - Cain kills his younger brother because he is jealous that Abel brought the best offering he had to God. Look at Moses, he murders an Egyptian taskmaster etc etc. 'All have sinned'

It saddens me when people just turn around and blame God for natural disasters when at most/all other times in their lives they couldn't give a stuff about Him, or even just profess to not beleive in Him - that's nothing more than a convenient religion........ no wonder people get confused at 'what God is playing at'.
 
boxman2000 said:
1) Approximately 6,500 years old. Most people will deny this but carbon dating is very much fallable. The best argument for the fossils we have is the flood, that would give clear reasoning behind various strata/fossils deposited (one example has several strata layers with a big fat tree going right through it - hmm!)

Interesting articles on potassium/argon dating methods - I'm no scientist but certainly would make me think twice about hinging my whole belief system on a reportedly inaccurate method of dating.
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As an archaeologist, the claim that earth is 6,500 years old is one that I am in no way going to debate here, it would go on for pages, suffice to say that I say, no. :)
 
e36Adz said:
The verses in the Quran which speak of God creating the heavens and the earth in x no of days, clearly cannot be referring to our 24 hr days since the Sun would not have been created.

This brings us onto the interesting subject of 'time/space', which I believe to be multi-dimensional. The Quran narrates a story of a group of youth who were being persecuted and fled and sought refuge in a cave, and although they slept for 'a day or part of a day', infact 300 years passed. Similarly, when Jesus Christ PBUH was raised up ~2000 years ago, and returns (as believe Muslims and Christians) he will not have aged more then possibly a day or so. One final mention is that the Quran also speaks of the time when after death mankind is raised up and our perception of time will be totally different to what it is now, so much so that our whole life here will have felt like part of a day. I do not expect you do believe anything I have just stated but I am just pointing our that the topic of 'time' is a very deep and difficult one which whole books have been written about! It is not simply a case of saying "earth created in 6 days = wrong."

As far as evolution goes, there are things that even Darwin was very uncomfortable with which went directly against his theory.
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The reason Jesus will not age at His return is He has a new eternal body - hence why Mary didn't recognise Him.

At the end of the day God is outside of time, He created it so He would have to be! I believe the bible gives account of 6 day creation for a reason and as an example.

Earth created in 6 days = correct :D

Tombstone said:
As an archaeologist, the claim that earth is 6,500 years old is one that I am in no way going to debate here, it would go on for pages, suffice to say that I say, no. :)
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Of course mate, that's fair enough. I respect your belief that the earth is older and would certainly not be able to structure a technical case to convince you otherwise.

The age of the earth is not vital to be a Christian but all these theories end up doing is trying to take out the creator from creation.
 
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As i am god i can tell you that jesus will not be returning and he is not my son, i have no children and never will do...


boxman2000 said:
The reason Jesus will not age at His return is He has a new eternal body - hence why Mary didn't recognise Him.

At the end of the day God is outside of time, He created it so He would have to be! I believe the bible gives account of 6 day creation for a reason and as an example.

Earth created in 6 days = correct :D


Of course mate, that's fair enough. I respect your belief that the earth is older and would certainly not be able to structure a technical case to convince you otherwise.

The age of the earth is not vital to be a Christian but all these theories end up doing is trying to take out the creator from creation.
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boxman2000 said:
1) Approximately 6,500 years old.
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The bible gives no date, and any approximation is just like trying to predict the 2nd coming. Most Christians do not believe in any such date.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
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No time given at all, the earth and the universe existed before god terraformed it.

If you also go back to hebrew and look at the word used that was translated into day for gensis 1:3 onwards. The hebrew word simply means a passage of time and not a day as in 24hours.
 
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boxman2000 said:
1) Approximately 6,500 years old. Most people will deny this but carbon dating is very much fallable.
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It is a good job that carbon dating isn't used to give an approximate age of the world then isn't it? :D

boxman2000 said:
The best argument for the fossils we have is the flood, that would give clear reasoning behind various strata/fossils deposited (one example has several strata layers with a big fat tree going right through it - hmm!)
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If your best argument is "the flood" then I am afraid your argument is pretty poor. How did the flood manage to put all the really simple fossils right at the bottom and then build in complexity as it laid down sediment?

A clue on the tree thing, trees grow down as well as up....

boxman2000 said:
It saddens me when people just turn around and blame God for natural disasters when at most/all other times in their lives they couldn't give a stuff about Him, or even just profess to not beleive in Him - that's nothing more than a convenient religion........ no wonder people get confused at 'what God is playing at'.
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Well, if you believe in God and believe that God created the world in 6 days then surely the fact that natural disasters occur is due to God not creating it properly? Why on earth did he decide that plate tectonics was a good way to go? Why did he decide that eathquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, hurricanes, tornadoes and malaria were good things to build?
 
boxman2000 said:
1) Approximately 6,500 years old. Most people will deny this but carbon dating is very much fallable.
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I choose to believe this, because that way when the climate change freaks scream about us living in the warmest average temperature period in 700 years I can point out that its not that big a deal ^^
 
RDM said:
Why on earth did he decide that plate tectonics was a good way to go? Why did he decide that eathquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, hurricanes, tornadoes and malaria were good things to build?
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According to these loons the earthquake in New Zealand was caused by "Lesbians" lol :D

http://www.theage.com.au/technology...ch-quake-on-gay-community-20110224-1b68y.html

Indonesia says immorallity is to blame.

Communication and Information Minister Tifatul Sembiring said that there were many television programmes that destroyed morals.

Therefore, the minister said, natural disasters would continue to occur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8384827.stm

Sediqi is a religious leader in Tehran, he said that women who dress promiscuously, or behave promiscuously are to blame for all of the problems that Iran is having with earthquakes.

http://www.stormlakepilottribune.com/blogs/1518/entry/34637/

And cyclone's are the fault of Queensland having a godless Prime Minister and a gay Green leader

http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/02/03...odless-prime-minister-and-a-gay-green-leader/
 
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