Why do we still have rough places in the UK?

[FnG]magnolia · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:02

amigafan2003 said:
We stopped sending the residents to Australia.

simulatorman said:
Send them to Australia. No wait we've done that alteady.

And just when I was starting to like you simulatorman

d_brennen · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:03

If people don't own their home and have money and housing given to them by the government indefinitely of course there's going to be dross. Where I live in sunny Belfast my little area is very nice, everyone looks after their house/garden, we look out for each other. Across the rail tracks (old cliche

) it's a hell hole. No one works, houses are boarded up and squat ridden, the walking wounded, pasty-faced, tracksuit wearing masses stumble about like zombies on crutches (how do unemployed people injure themselves so much?) and is a general bin of a place

There's a lot to say for self-esteem, ambition and keeping up with the Jones'. All of which go out the window when you move hundreds of bone idle sponges to the same area.

What's to be done about it? I don't know

Hitman_Leon · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:22

No pride;
no respect,
no ambition,
no drive,
no drive for education,
no real role models,
dubious morality (areas with their own 'code' of morals),
family unit broken while growing up.

Cooper · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:41

To make the middle class feel smug and superior about their sterile, soul destroying, 9-5, trivial tedious lives...

LordSplodge · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:43

vonhelmet said:
Indeed. This country did not suffer from any variations in class, social status, wealth or quality of life until the late 19th century.

That's the most beautifully crafted piece of sarcasm I have seen in a long while. It almost brings tears to my eyes.

rypt · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:47

drunkenmaster said:
When we made drugs illegal, and by "we" I mean in general the western world who decided to arbitrarily impose a random new moral objection to the idea that people might want to alter their state of mind on a drug the western world wasn't heavily taxing, we created an entire industry of criminal enterprise, worth billions and billions of dollars worldwide, with smuggling and crime prevelant and its largely(not completely) these same types of gangs who smuggle drugs and get into crime who partake or move on to other crime, guns, forced prostitution, etc, etc.

Drugs never made illegal, society would be a happier, far lower crime, far less problematic place.

+1

div0 · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:47

Forde said:
How do you change the a-holes? Or is it impossible?

Stop them breeding.

Vonhelmet · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:51

LordSplodge said:
That's the most beautifully crafted piece of sarcasm I have seen in a long while. It almost brings tears to my eyes.

A friend of mine has a grandmother who seriously believes wholeheartedly that there were no muggings in London until the Jamaican immigrants started coming over.

THMRK · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:58

A higher standard of living for some people automatically results in a lower standard for the rest. Crime, drug and alcohol abuse is so high because of many things. Largely it's economic factors that play a part in it, lower incomes leads to crime, pressures to get away from a society that constantly feels like it's against can lead to breakdowns that in turn lead to drug and alcohol abuse (note ABUSE, not use).

Demtwok · 2 Mar 2011 at 10:59

Is their a city on this planet that doesn't have "bad" spots?

meghatronic · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:02

Woody__ said:
A higher standard of living for some people automatically results in a lower standard for the rest. Crime, drug and alcohol abuse is so high because of many things. Largely it's economic factors that play a part in it, lower incomes leads to crime, pressures to get away from a society that constantly feels like it's against can lead to breakdowns that in turn lead to drug and alcohol abuse (note ABUSE, not use).

I'm not sure I follow the logic.

arknor · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:06

dowie said:
I don't think people have been injecting opiates, of using crack cocaine etc.. until very recently. If you don't think there's anything wrong with either of those two then you're incredibly stupid.

he first known cultivation of opium poppies was in Mesopotamia, approximately 3400 BCE, by Sumerians who called the plant Hul Gil, the "joy plant".

anything I don't mind · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:06

A better standard of living does not necessarily increase the education or attitudes or behaviour of the individuals. That would be like taking a tribes man from the amazon and putting him in to a house with all the latest gizmos and watching him make a fire in the living room and take a crap in the kitchen sink.

The standard of living in britian is not that great anyway, the houses are poorly constructed the plumbing is below international standards and no one has any gardens either. So you end up with houses with noisy floors and thin walls and electric shower with a pump etc. Sure you have sky TV and a fridge full of beer, but you get that in third world countries as well.

MickeyFinns · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:51

arknor said:
he first known cultivation of opium poppies was in Mesopotamia, approximately 3400 BCE, by Sumerians who called the plant Hul Gil, the "joy plant".

He said inject, there are more people than you'd think who are fully functioning who smoke opiates, i.e. Maintain Jobs. Injecting it is far more devstating.

britboy4321 · 2 Mar 2011 at 12:42

drunkenmaster said:
Drugs never made illegal, society would be a happier, far lower crime, far less problematic place.

The reason they haven't been illegal for thousands of years is because distribution,technology and cultivation issues made it impossible for people to get, say, crack cocaine whether they wanted it or not. Mainly distribution issues.

To say society would be a better place if all drugs were legal is to ignore history. Read about the Opium wars..Opium/heroin was completely, entirely legal in China - and

1) A lot of the population that could be working and raising taxes didn't bother going to their jobs at all (!), just sat all day getting high. All sounds very utopian until you suddenly realise the consequences of the farmers not bothering farming, the police not bothering turning up to work, the builders not bothering building new homes etc.

2) A lot of people liked their heroin so much that as well as not bothering working (or even if they were), they started stealing to get money to buy more of the stuff. They couldn't handle it.

Sure I bet there were people who quite happily had their heroin first thing in the morning, then went off to work no problem. But as a whole when you allow mass consumption of the stuff, an unworkable amount of the population reach a stage when they are making the overall society worse than it was in some way- basically to get their fix.

The opium wars were interesting in that China said 'This is crazy our society is going down the pan - sorry, we're making opium illegal', and Britain said 'Whoa, we make a load of money importing this stuff - so no your not making it illegal .. and if anyone tries to stop us selling it, we'll kill them'. Fun and games ensued.

arknor · 2 Mar 2011 at 12:57

u could say the same rubbish about alchohol if it werent legal..

everyone will be drunk , no one will turn up to work because they would rather get drunk all day , in reality it doesnt happen

Pestilence · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:02

arknor said:
u could say the same rubbish about alchohol if it werent legal..

everyone will be drunk , no one will turn up to work because they would rather get drunk all day , in reality it doesnt happen

It does, though... and then you end up with run-down, deprived areas full of sponging alcoholics and other human detritus just like we have now -- ie. that wouldn't change. Which makes the "pro-drug" argument null. It wouldn't make anything better.

Psycho Sonny · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:17

Forde said:
How do you change the a-holes? Or is it impossible?

harsher sentances - mandatory service to your country if your unemployed, etc.

government cant afford harsher sentances, not enough prisons/money. doubt people would vote for mandatory service, so yeah it's impossible.

FabienO · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:23

Monkey see monkey do, council estates are a vicious circle of behaviour with an emphasis on breeding.

Kill it with fire.

arknor · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:36

Pestilence said:
It does, though... and then you end up with run-down, deprived areas full of sponging alcoholics and other human detritus just like we have now -- ie. that wouldn't change. Which makes the "pro-drug" argument null. It wouldn't make anything better.

only a small minority if it werent alcohol it would be something else like sniffing glue/petrol.

cannabis should be made available to people who really need it for pain releif even if its not legal for recreational use