The Illuminati

Metalface Mark · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:37

sigma said:
So if I poison somebody tomorrow it would be classed as a natural process?

Thats a wrong analagy.

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:37

Metalface Mark said:
I dont think we can, we cant poison the earth with the earth, everything we create, everything we do all the material that we use that so called poisons the earth comes from the earth.

The earth would in effect be poisoning itself.

We can, as Tefal pointed out, change the natural composition of the elements that make up the Earth and in effect poison the natural order of the Planet.

To be completely pedantic about the entire argument, no-one can poison or even destroy anything, as we are all made from the same elemental material and when we die, it isn't really death, it is merely a change in composition of the matter and energy that make all things, living and otherwise in the Universe.

So even if the Earth was suddenly blown into a cloud of sub-atomic particles, it would not be destroyed, only changed.

However, in the context of the thread and the post by Magick and RDM specifically the use of the word poison and the effect that mankind has on the Planet in certain circumstances it is disingenuous to pursue that logic to it's conclusion.

sigma · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:38

Metalface Mark said:
Thats a wrong analagy.

It was genuine, please correct me or explain how it is wrong.

Stewy · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:40

magick said:
Also I *DO* believe we are in the end times and this planet days are numbered. What we're seeing in Japan, ect are warnings and signs of what will soon happen on a planetary scale. People will laugh and refuse to believe it just like people in the last days of Noah laughed and refused to believe.

flibbage0 · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:41

I will never understand why some people link natural disasters with illuminati or conspiracy theories.

Really does boggle my mind, why do some humans think like that.

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:41

Tefal said:
no if we're part of nature and part of the earth like you said then we are part of the natural process.

everything we do is the natural process.

That can be argued for absolutely everything in the Universe.

Why do anything about Climate Change, or the destruction of Biodiversity, Ecosystems etc...

It is only part of the "natural Process".....

Judge....."Why did you murder all those Women?"

Serial Killer......"It was just part of the Natural Process"

Judge....."Well, that is Ok then. You are free to go!"

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:43

Metalface Mark said:
Thats a wrong analagy.

How can it be a wrong analogy.

If we accept what you and Tefal are positing as fact, then a Human being poising another Human Being is part of that overall natural process.

We are all part of the Earth, are we not.

Tefal · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:44

Castiel said:
That can be argued for absolutely everything in the Universe.

Why do anything about Climate Change, or the destruction of Biodiversity, Ecosystems etc...

It is only part of the "natural Process".....

which is why i said biological things aren't part of the earth.

we can't poison the earth because it's inorganic lump, nothing we ahve done has made the planet act differently.

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:49

Tefal said:
which is why i said biological things aren't part of the earth.

we can't poison the earth because it's inorganic lump, nothing we ahve done has made the planet act differently.

But in the context that Magick made his post, he referred to the Living Planet.

The Earth is not only it's mineral composition.

It is also a very contentious point to say that nothing we have ever done has caused the Planet to act differently.

Any Climatologist or Atmospheric scientist will almost certainly have issue with that statement. I suspect that quite a few Geologists may have issue with it also.

Rameses · 13 Mar 2011 at 16:49

simulatorman said:
You should get the other side of your head seen to.

oh and lolilluminati.

magick · 13 Mar 2011 at 17:37

sigma said:
What difference does it make if you do or do not believe?

If we're all going to die anyway then why bother caring about it?

Maybe we don't die when our physical body dies and our consciousness continues on another plane of reality.

Metalface Mark · 13 Mar 2011 at 17:46

sigma said:
It was genuine, please correct me or explain how it is wrong.

Because you are not really poisoning someone else, you/the earth are one and the same as well as everything that has ever been or will ever will be is also from earth.

You wouldnt be poisoining someone else, you would be poisoning yourself with your own toxins.

Metalface Mark · 13 Mar 2011 at 17:47

Castiel said:
How can it be a wrong analogy.

If we accept what you and Tefal are positing as fact, then a Human being poising another Human Being is part of that overall natural process.

We are all part of the Earth, are we not.

Yes, which is why it cant be like him poisoning someone else.

RDM · 13 Mar 2011 at 17:59

Castiel said:
The Earth is not only it's mineral composition.

No, but from a percentage point of view it is pretty much only it's mineral composition.

Castiel said:
It is also a very contentious point to say that nothing we have ever done has caused the Planet to act differently.

Any Climatologist or Atmospheric scientist will almost certainly have issue with that statement. I suspect that quite a few Geologists may have issue with it also.

It depends on what scales you are working on and as we are talking earthquakes then we are at the plate tectonic scale. I think it is safe to say we have very little impact at all on that side of things. Though I am sure given enough time we may well give it a go one day.

Also bear in mind the response that triggered this off was a reply to magick in a thread in GD. We are not really talking the height of logical discourse...

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:14

RDM said:
It depends on what scales you are working on and as we are talking earthquakes then we are at the plate tectonic scale. I think it is safe to say we have very little impact at all on that side of things. Though I am sure given enough time we may well give it a go one day.

Also bear in mind the response that triggered this off was a reply to magick in a thread in GD. We are not really talking the height of logical discourse...

I quite agree that we have absolutely no impact on plate tectonics or really any permanent major impact on the Earth as a whole (whatever the Global Climate Crew would like us to believe).

I just disagreed that we couldn't poison the Earth, at least on a local scale, or that the Earth is distinct from the Biosphere that (to me at least) is as part of the Planet as it's active tectonics.

I haven't had that much to do with Magick so forgive me if I didn't understand the initial context to your reply

, but given his posts and where he is getting his information I can quite understand your position.

I assume that similar to stockhausen, LolMagick is an acceptable and relevant reply to almost, if not all of his posts!

SexyGreyFox · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:26

I love Magick.
I wonder if there's any wacky alternative theory he doesn't believe in?

Metalface Mark · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:30

Castiel said:
I quite agree that we have absolutely no impact on plate tectonics or really any permanent major impact on the Earth as a whole (whatever the Global Climate Crew would like us to believe).

I just disagreed that we couldn't poison the Earth, at least on a local scale, or that the Earth is distinct from the Biosphere that (to me at least) is as part of the Planet as it's active tectonics.

I haven't had that much to do with Magick so forgive me if I didn't understand the initial context to your reply, but given his posts and where he is getting his information I can quite understand your position.

I assume that similar to stockhausen, LolMagick is an acceptable and relevant reply to almost, if not all of his posts!

Lolmagick, lolstockhausen, lollysander, lolgroen. The list in full of tinfoil hat wearers.

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:32

Metalface Mark said:
Lolmagick, lolstockhausen, lollysander, lolgroen. The list in full of tinfoil hat wearers.

Lollysander actually made me lol. I had some weird image of sandpaper for lollies....

Raymond Lin · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:45

aardvark said:
i despair at the stupidity of some people, i really do.

I don't, its quite funny really.

We need these to make GD fun, although JFK theories is one thing, but people manipulating mother earth to kill innocent people.

Please tell us what you are smoking, share the love

e36Adz · 13 Mar 2011 at 18:57

flibbage0 said:
I will never understand why some people link natural disasters with illuminati or conspiracy theories.

Really does boggle my mind, why do some humans think like that.

Probably due to the existance of things such as HAARP.

I agree with magick though, humankind is destroying and polluting the Earth to such an extent, and committing such atrocities, that we are now nearing the end. I don't believe we possess such power to destroy the planet totally but we have made a right mess of it.

Yes there have always been natural disasters and earthquakes but it makes no difference if there are a thousand earthquakes a day, if we cannot feel them and they have no impact they are really irrelevant. What we definately are seeing is an increase in large scale natural disasters, and it becoming so common that its hardly suprising anymore. Religious people will take this as a sign, others may not.

I definately agree with those who say there is a ruling elite in the world who aim to control everything. I can actually see 2012 being the year when they bring down the dollar and introduce a new world currency.

This may interest some of you.

We have seen 'cash for gold' companies appear out of nowhere over the past few years/months. While they are hoarding all the real wealth, your avergae Joe will be left with paper which is worthless. This is absolutely criminal and most people don't even realise it. If you or I were to start printing out paper money we would be put in jail, yet it's exactly what these people have been doing, and I am sure what they will replace it with will be even more fraudulent.