March in London on the 26th?

growse · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:40

Superewza said:
In other words, rich ****ers who will be far too rich if we pay them back and far too rich if we don't.

You think the only people who hold private pensions are rich ****ers?

Wow.

You're stupider than I thought possible.

PermaBanned · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:40

daver said:
are you for real?

You think people who put money away for their pensions in retirement are 'rich ***ers'?

That's not what i said.

sigma · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:41

Superewza said:
In other words, rich ****ers who will be far too rich if we pay them back and far too rich if we don't.

lol

DM · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:41

Superewza said:
In other words, rich ****ers who will be far too rich if we pay them back and far too rich if we don't.

You scratch expensive cars when you get the chance dont you, come on be honest

sigma · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:42

It's always "them" at fault, "they're" to blame.... erm do you even know who "they" are?

growse · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:42

daver said:
well most of the debt is government bonds, largest holders are probably our pension companies

Superewza said:
In other words, rich ****ers who will be far too rich if we pay them back and far too rich if we don't.

Superewza said:
That's not what i said.

It's *exactly* what you said.

PermaBanned · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:43

growse said:
It's *exactly* what you said.

At what point does it say that the national debt is owed to people have a pension?

DM · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:44

sigma said:
It's always "them" at fault, "they're" to blame.... erm do you even know who "they" are?

No he dosent, but i know who he is, hes the rebellious kid with out a pot to **** in, nor the inclination to get off his arse to get one.

Who in 10 years will have grown out of this nonsense, but still wont have a pot to **** in, because he wasted all those years whining about ******, make me laugh.

growse · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:45

Superewza said:
At what point does it say that the national debt is owed to people have a pension?

Go read up on how private pensions work. Your ignorance is at a level which makes you singularly unqualified to make any meaningful contribution to this debate.

Slam62 · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:47

[TW]Fox;18662189 said:
Nice utopian view.

Did you know that the United States, France, Japan, etc etc all have higher national debt as a percentage of GDP?

So you are argueing against cuts then?

Actually, the deficit is the problem first and then the debt. The coalition are scratching the surface of the first and increasing the second by about 40%.

If you think the beloved coalition are going to fix anything quickly, you better think again.

don't get me started on the banks, and the banking system, if you don't admit that the banks were/are a massive problem then you really need to do some research.

PermaBanned · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:47

DiamondMark said:
No he dosent, but i know who he is, hes the rebellious kid with out a pot to **** in, nor the inclination to get off his arse to get one.

Who in 10 years will have grown out of this nonsense, but still wont have a pot to **** in, because he wasted all those years whining about ******, make me laugh.

Where your logic falls down is in the fact that most socialists are not teenagers.

DM · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:49

Superewza said:
Where your logic falls down is in the fact that most socialists are not teenagers.

My bad, i apologise. Some people are slow learners.

Hades · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:50

Superewza said:
In other words, rich ****ers who will be far too rich if we pay them back and far too rich if we don't.

The vast majority of private sector workers pay into a pension scheme. In many cases those schemes buy government debt through bonds. So it's "Joe average" that is lending to the government. How on earth does that make it the rich *******? Yes some of them will be rich, many, many others will not be.

I do actually earn a decent salary. But my mortgage is through the roof, I pay a huge amount of tax, I've been through several rounds or redundancy the last few years (survived them all so far because I work extremely hard - 12 to 14 hours a day quite often with no overtime), and I get very little back from the State. I really don't want anyone to lose their job. But the country cannot afford to continue with the spending that the last government accelerated. Even with a decent wage I stuggle to have any money left at the end of the month (I drive an 8 year old car, haven't been on holiday for 8 years either), and schooling is such an issue in the area that my kids aren't in the catchment area for any school at all.

I'm working myself to death just to support a massive public sector and I'm seeing no benefit for it whatsoever. Enough is enough and we have to make cuts. Although I don't agree with a lo of the things they are doing, I'm glad the current government has the backbone to take difficult decisions.

[TW]Fox · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:51

Superewza said:
Where your logic falls down is in the fact that most socialists are not teenagers.

Just you then?

Slam62 · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:51

DiamondMark said:
No he dosent, but i know who he is, hes the rebellious kid with out a pot to **** in, nor the inclination to get off his arse to get one.

Who in 10 years will have grown out of this nonsense, but still wont have a pot to **** in, because he wasted all those years whining about ******, make me laugh.

Of course you are completely covered if your BTLs drop 30%.

Would you accept people on benefit as tennants? You do realise that housing benefit effectively sets the rent you can charge and that housing benefit has to be drastically reduced.

Of course you're minted so it's no problem.

mike62 · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:54

Superewza in being a **** shock :eek:

Castiel · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:54

Tummy said:
If I get a golf buggy will you come with me?

I just might. It would be a laugh if nothing else.

DM · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:55

Slam62 said:
Of course you are completely covered if your BTLs drop 30%.

Would you accept people on benefit as tennants? You do realise that housing benefit effectively sets the rent you can charge and that housing benefit has to be drastically reduced.

Of course you're minted so it's no problem.

If my BTL drop 30% i dont have a problem because i dont owe anything on them, and in the long run, up is the only way they are going.

No i dont accept tenants on benefit, because they are a pain in the arse.

And the reason iv got a few quid is because from the age of 14 i knocked my ****** in grafting instead of whining that the world owed me money going on demonstrations.

PermaBanned · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:55

[TW]Fox;18662418 said:
Just you then?

Meh, i know a handful of others, maybe a dozen - far less than those who aren't.

Slam62 · 13 Mar 2011 at 19:56

Hades said:
The vast majority of private sector workers pay into a pension scheme. In many cases those schemes buy government debt through bonds. So it's "Joe average" that is lending to the government. How on earth does that make it the rich *******? Yes some of them will be rich, many, many others will not be.

I do actually earn a decent salary. But my mortgage is through the roof, I pay a huge amount of tax, I've been through several rounds or redundancy the last few years (survived them all so far because I work extremely hard - 12 to 14 hours a day quite often with no overtime), and I get very little back from the State. I really don't want anyone to lose their job. But the country cannot afford to continue with the spending that the last government accelerated. Even with a decent wage I stuggle to have any money left at the end of the month (I drive an 8 year old car, haven't been on holiday for 8 years either), and schooling is such an issue in the area that my kids aren't in the catchment area for any school at all.

I'm working myself to death just to support a massive public sector and I'm seeing no benefit for it whatsoever. Enough is enough and we have to make cuts. Although I don't agree with a lo of the things they are doing, I'm glad the current government has the backbone to take difficult decisions.

making cuts won't reduce your mortgage, buy you a better car or find your kids a school, the current government are going to increase your tax burden.