Earthquake in Japan....9.0...ouch!

clv101 said:
We've got a really good article on the nuclear issue from someone who actually knows what they are talking about: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7638
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As BunnyKillBot has already pointed out she is not the expert she claims to be. Her BSc is in Biology (focusing on neuroscience and psychology. The work she did at OIES is completely non technical.

She states that the outer containment building was destroyed, when in fact it's only the upper portion of the external shell around the containment building that's been damaged, she's implying that layer 4 in the diagram has been destroyed when that's not true at all (someone else even mentions this in the comments below).
 
Azza said:
I've had enough of the BBC and their 'experts' they have on, just chatting **** and giving out useless info.
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I’ve just got sick and tired of listening to all the experts being wheeled in to tell us about the reactors. I would have thought the whole country could recite what they've all been saying. I nearly threw a book at the telly when some fool told us it wasn’t a mushroom cloud.

They are very blasé about the whole situation. What seems to have been forgotten is the scale of the disaster and what is being done to rescue and recover the situation. This is what the news is and sadly we are lacking it.
 
bam0 said:
As BunnyKillBot has already pointed out she is not the expert she claims to be. Her BSc is in Biology (focusing on neuroscience and psychology. The work she did at OIES is completely non technical.
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Not being a physicist, does not prevent her being an expert! There are non-technical experts. I'm pretty sure she knows more about nuclear safety than anyone here and pretty much any journalist talking/writing about it today. 'Safety' is way more than physics/engineering, it includes policy, soft systems etc.
 
clv101 said:
Not being a physicist, does not prevent her being an expert! There are non-technical experts. I'm pretty sure she knows more about nuclear safety than anyone here and pretty much any journalist talking/writing about it today. 'Safety' is way more than physics/engineering, it includes policy, soft systems etc.
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That doesn't give her the knowledge or ability to comment on the technical features of these reactors and their safety systems. Read the piece she wrote for the OIES it's almost completely about the political and bureaucratic side of nuclear safety in eastern europe and russia post Chernobyl and fall of the iron curtain. Given her lack of formal qualifications in anything nuclear or physics related and the fact she doesn't seem to understand some of the diagrams she's used or news reports she's linked to why the hell would I put stock in anything she's written (and that's ignoring the bias from being on a site like that)
 
Personally I watch what the Yanks are actually doing. They know a bit about radiation and as a result of levels detected by their ships have moved them further away from the Japanese coast. :(
 
drunkenmaster said:
Its kind of like the idiot the BBC guy had on site for the Chile miners, he kept acting like every other reporter was evil and hounding the families but he was their "friend" so had a right to attempt to push past them all and get right in the families faces, he was as bad if not worse than the rest. Frankly ALL the reporters in the Chile incident sickened me, surrounding the family of the first guy who came out, a woman crying, sad, worried but 50 camera's and 100 reporters all had to film it, then they broke the tent by pushing in on them. Reporters have just no morals anymore, 24/7 news is about entertainment and viewing figures now, not professionalism, quality, facts anymore. At least not the the UK/USA, Japans coverage seems massively more professional, but then as a society they just come off that way.
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Yeah have been watching HNK world a fair bit on Sky since this story broke, not watched it much before but it's such a more traditional 'proper' way of broadcasting news.

The news is done in a very straight fashion, telling you the facts of what has happened and happening.

This goes against the modern UK way of newsbroadcasting (which we've ended up copying from America) telling you what could be happening in the worst case scenario and endlessly going over the same footage when nothing new is happening whilst in this case padding speaking to any Tom, Dick and Harry who visited a power station once asking them when this will turn into Chernobyl so they can get the viewing figures up. Now the reporters have got there we're going to get a week of Kay Burley and co patronising Japanese people and showing us (live!! and in High Definition on channel 501) how awful everything is.
 
Mr Krugga said:
TROLL ALERT
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Its called caps lock, find it, Why the hell is anybody with a contraversiol opinion declared as a troll these days? its getting dumb, yet people (not you) who complain about the chuck norris meme still being around will also still throw out the troll meme insults left right and centre :S

(Warning: no spell check on work PC's)
 
clv101 said:
Since the spent fuel pools are towards the top of those buildings and after seeing the energy involved in the explosion of the 3rd reactor, I'm pretty concerned about the security of several decades of spent fuel rods.

Does anyone have a decent picture of reactor 3 after the explosion?
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Fuel is removed and replaced periodically anyway, so the fuel that is used up would have been sent to reprocessing.
 
Mr Krugga said:
Can you source such "sensational" news, please?
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ITs not sensationalist, the new york times IIRC has reported that one of the battle ships passed through a cloud of radiactive gas(which isn't surprising as most of the venting done so far has been with winds blowing out to sea in their direction), they apparently received about a months dose of radiation in one go, not terrible, not good.

Its a shame, one of the biggest risk factors at the moment is to rescue workers, people trying to help in various ways. Guys at the power plants, US Navy on ships and on shore trying to help, the various crews being sent in from round the world and a huge number of Japanese rescue workers and military. Can only hope that the there isn't a big quake/Tsunami in the next couple of days, if its really anticipated there will be another quake, and it seems a pretty good chance of one, well after a certain amount of time the chances of finding people alive is so slim that you're putting more rescue workers lives at severe risk than you are trying to save.
 
ubersonic said:
Its called caps lock, find it, Why the hell is anybody with a contraversiol opinion declared as a troll these days? its getting dumb, yet people (not you) who complain about the chuck norris meme still being around will also still throw out the troll meme insults left right and centre :S

(Warning: no spell check on work PC's)
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1) It's not a meme.

2) It's not controversial, it's vastly irrelevant to the subject being discussed and may result in an inappropriate debate. Hence the troll.
 
Psycho Ned said:
Yeah have been watching HNK world a fair bit on Sky since this story broke, not watched it much before but it's such a more traditional 'proper' way of broadcasting news.

Now the reporters have got there we're going to get a week of Kay Burley and co patronising Japanese people and showing us (live!! and in High Definition on channel 501) how awful everything is.
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Ha, Sky made a great decision on Friday(I think anyway) in keeping Burley off the air, I was mostly watching from the computer but sometime went downstairs and watched a few news channels on TV and saw that Sky was listed as "afternoon with Kay Burley" or whatever it was and thought, jesus, when its off the adverts it will be some racist, they're rubbish, we're great, rant for hours from her. But it came back from adverts and there was no sign of her.

Is that Sky admitting she's in no way sensible enough for the "real" news.
 
drunkenmaster said:
ITs not sensationalist, the new york times IIRC has reported that one of the battle ships passed through a cloud of radiactive gas(which isn't surprising as most of the venting done so far has been with winds blowing out to sea in their direction), they apparently received about a months dose of radiation in one go, not terrible, not good.

Its a shame, one of the biggest risk factors at the moment is to rescue workers, people trying to help in various ways. Guys at the power plants, US Navy on ships and on shore trying to help, the various crews being sent in from round the world and a huge number of Japanese rescue workers and military. Can only hope that the there isn't a big quake/Tsunami in the next couple of days, if its really anticipated there will be another quake, and it seems a pretty good chance of one, well after a certain amount of time the chances of finding people alive is so slim that you're putting more rescue workers lives at severe risk than you are trying to save.
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Oops , sorry, I can't keep up to date with the news and missed that.

EDIT: seems that it's only one aircraft carrier.
 
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