Earthquake in Japan....9.0...ouch!

Saw this proposal on another forum :)

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I wonder if it would be better to make nuclear power plants away from our countries? somewhere where they're far away and cant hurt us if something goes wrong?

Also what about having them at either of the poles? coz then they'd always be kept cold? or under the sea perhaps? I wonder if they scientist and engineers that build/create them have thought about these ideas or if they're not feasible for some reason.

Just a thought...:)

EDIT: Also can an admin change the title of the thread to 9.0! it's been annoying me for days lol (has now been done: thankyou!)
 
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Transit is one issue, building power stations too remote and you lose a lot of efficency transmitting the power back to wherever its going to be used.
 
2500-3500microSv is equal to 2.5-3.5mSv, pretty much spot on the other person's figure.

Yes, those are figures away from the reactors but in their neighbourhood.

Such low radiation isn't harmful at all.

Afaik the peak radiation measured was 400mSv but that had to be inside the reactor and isn't anywhere near as high in the surroundings. It was also reported to lower significantly to some 200mSv or so.

You didn't get what I was saying, days ago, maybe 3 days before they started spraying water they were saying it was 6.4milliSv at peak, but mostly 2.2-3milliSv, the next day they were saying it was 300 or so MICROSv, then the next day again they had two sources, one saying 0.3milliSv, or roughly the same, the other people were saying it was 3000-3300 microSv, or 3.3MilliSv. One hand is saying one group of numbers, the other is saying a completely different thing.

Likewise, the 400milliSv reading wasn't in the reactor, it was between the buildings 3 and 4, it was 100milliSv or so between 2 and 3, so the source was almost certainly 3 or 4, most likely at that point 4 with its raging fire and boiling spent fuel pool.

But this is where it gets bad/dodgey, it was the very next day they stopped telling us what the reactor numbers were, yet, it was bad to the point they evacuated everyone outside the gate afaik, for the majority of the day, which suggests it was worse than the day before.

Also keep in mind they had a meeting between those days with the embassies to give them some details and in the two days after that French told their people to leave, US/Uk told everyone to get much further away and USA sent in lots of incredibly accurate radiation detecting equipment both in a drone and a chopper, and immediately started acting like it was a pretty serious situation.

Also, people do need to get something right that they are getting completely wrong. Its utterly wrong to suggest Tokyo can't get serious radiation and the logic that because somewhere in the middle isn't bad doesn't mean crap. Look at Chernobyl, no not the accident, the spread of radiation, the local area got done, then it was pretty safe, and weather/wind/clouds took some of the worst stuff hundreds, thousands of miles away, with barely anything inbetween. There is nothing, at all, to logically suggest radiation travels a certain distance then stops, unfortunately changing weather patterns, wind directions, way the radiation is getting into the air is changing situation by situation.

One day it will be steam, drifting out to see low, another day it will burn some pretty nasty stuff at a couple thousand times the radiation of the day before, in smoke and steam that goes straight up, it doesn't have to all land a certain distance and not get further.

Its not likely Tokyo is going to get swarmed with radiation but the logic some people are using, like if theres no radiation at 35km, there can't be any at 60km, or 150km, its catagorically false.

Especially as the fire from the spent fuel rods, which are almost certainly damaged would have had less Iodine 131 which is short lived, and more Strontium, , iodine 129, etc, etc in it.

If the situation was singular, the winds remained the same, the weather was the same then it would be pretty predictable.

The USA has shown increased levels(I assume in Hawaii but I haven't looked into it) and experts, real people are suggesting minor minor amounts will hit the UK in a couple weeks, this is what radiation can do, get into the atmosphere and follow the wind.

Its highly, like ridiculously unlikely to take any kind of even minor levels to the states of the UK, but if it can make it there, pretending it can't get to Tokyo is daft.

you spout some serious drivel at times but I do completely agree with this. I'm jaded when it comes to donating for anything these days due to the way people go on.

People are going on about the debt, countries work with debt, thats our twisted economy. The simple fact remains, lets say Japan is going to borrow 50billion this year, increase its debt but less than previous years, 1 billion really ain't going to make a whole heck of a lot of difference, the thing is with the worlds 3rd biggest economy it CAN borrow 1billion. Haiti, couldn't borrow £1billion, ever, under any circumstances.

Its tragic, but my money would be better going to someone that can't in any way get money in another way. I think Japanese people have been superb, they've basically done the human race proud over the past week, I can't imagine what most are going through and I'd never want to go through it, but that doesn't randomly mean they deserve money?

You could understand a Japanese person donating to Haiti, could you understand a Haitian person donating to Japans cause right now, yes I can, probably some have, thats lovely, all I was getting at is there are better places for donations, not better causes, or more deserving people.

Japan might be "in debt" but they are still one of the worlds richest countries, debt and wealth aren't close to the same thing.
 
Just on sky news
Abnormal levels of radiation in milk and spinach in Japan but pose no threat to humans ???

C'mon, would you drink the milk ?
Japan seems to be getting less and less coverage now with this daft US ( we control the world ) effort to help the poor people of Libya.
 
Just on sky news
Abnormal levels of radiation in milk and spinach in Japan but pose no threat to humans ???

C'mon, would you drink the milk ?
Japan seems to be getting less and less coverage now with this daft US ( we control the world ) effort to help the poor people of Libya.

I wouldn't have milk or spinach anyway. :p
 
what im getting at is, what sort of bull**** comment is this from sky news ?
They are saying the levels are only slightly raised. Say you lived Scotland and caught a flight South for a holiday in Cornwall. You would detect "abnormal" radiation levels both while in flight and while relaxing in your holiday home when using background Scottish levels as your "normal". Is it dangerous? It does increase your risk of cancer..

I would avoid the produce from the area just in case, especially when not being able to verify what degree of "safe" the government was using. If I was stuck in a wrecked town with little food getting in my decision could well change.
 
Incidents like this make you realise how vulnerable humans are, some animals can withstand thousands of sieverts of radiation and bacteria tens of thousands.
 
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The most positive report we've had to date:

Edano said, however, that conditions at the plant's most dangerous No. 3 reactor unit have likely become relatively stable after firefighters threw some 60 tons of water at a boiling spent fuel pool there shortly after midnight from outside the damaged building housing it.

Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa separately said the surface temperatures at the No. 1 to No. 4 reactors were found in the morning at 100 C or lower by a Self-Defense Force helicopter, adding their conditions remain more stable than expected.

''We're trying to get things under control, but we're still in an unpredictable situation,'' Edano said.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan instructed the Defense Ministry to keep monitoring around the plant, Kitazawa said.

Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co., meanwhile, managed to connect power cables to the No. 1 and No. 2 reactor buildings, paving the way for checks of their equipment as early as Sunday to see if they can work.

Restoring a stable source of electricity to reactivate lost cooling systems is a key step to prevent further deterioration of the situation, particularly as the No. 2 reactor has suffered a rupture at its containment vessel's pressure-suppression chamber at the bottom.

At the No. 3 reactor, the Tokyo Fire Department's ''hyper rescue'' team began in the afternoon an unmanned operation of having its heavy fire trucks continue shooting a total of 1,260 tons of water at its spent fuel pool for seven hours, the department said.

After massive smoke was detected from the No. 3 reactor building on Wednesday, the Self-Defense Forces, firefighters and others have been engaged in an unprecedented mission to spray tons of water in an attempt to fill its pool with water, which is vital to prevent a release of radioactive substances.

A rise in water temperature, usually to 40 C, causes the water level to fall, thus exposing the spent nuclear fuel rods, which could then heat up further, melt and discharge highly radioactive materials in a worst-case scenario, experts say.

The SDF is now preparing to spray water into the No. 4 reactor to help cool its spent fuel pool as well, Edano said.

At the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, it has become possible to cool spent fuel by circulating water in the storage pools, as one of emergency generators was restored early Saturday, leading the temperature to fall to 67.6 C from 68.8 C in four hours, said Tokyo Electric, or TEPCO.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/79609.html
 
I dont know much about nuclear reactors but cant they just do something like drop a frame around it and fill it with concrete from the air. This way they can melt down but the radiation stays in the concrete / whatever harder material they drop over it
 
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