Skyrim, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3: Are RPGs Evolving or Dying?

Witcher 2 may well be the last 'old fashioned' RPG we get. Bioware give up on the tradional RPGs with Dragon Age (which was still a good game, but it's a laughable continuation of the Baldurs Gate series, of which it was coined the 'spiritual successor').

They'll all be dumbed down to suit the console market, in fact this has been happening for a while now. Mass effect for example isn't really a RPG, it's more an adventure/action with basic RPG features hybrid, just like the KOTOR, all of which are classics in my view.

So I guess, RPGs are just changing, but not necassarily for the worse.

Two Worlds II is a classic in my view, and it has got a relatively in depth old fashioned RPG bias. If games like this continue, I'll be more than happy.
 
Surfer said:
I Have both Drakensang 1 + 2 still to play :) Might play em back to back. Another one Farewell to Dragons is on my buy list.

Proper rpgs with deep party turn-based combat based on character stats, weapons, environment etc. Are my favourite. I dont even really like the baldurs gate quasi realtime/turnbase style...give me Pools of Radiance, Curse of Azure Bonds, Champions of Krynn ssi/us gold rpg goodness. Where adventuring and combat are kept separate and focused.
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What do you know about Drakensang 2? I cant find it anywhere in english.
 
^ It's actually a prequel called Darakensang: The River of Time. Set before the events of the first Drakensang and it's great imo. I bought it on Gamersgate a while back. English version.
 
For some reason these promising rpg titles are becoming impossible to buy in the UK, or from the UK even.

Gamersgate no longer sells it.

I know where I'll find it...
 
I used the main gamersgate site not the co.uk one. Don't recall having to use proxy either and they have my UK details. I've done this a few times for games, the first Dakensang as well before it got a UK release. It's a great price at $19.95, equates to around £12-£13.
 
Ozzie Dave said:
I used the main gamersgate site not the co.uk one. Don't recall having to use proxy either and they have my UK details. I've done this a few times for games, the first Dakensang as well before it got a UK release. It's a great price at $19.95, equates to around £12-£13.
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It is a great price, and I would immediately snap it up.

When I go to gamersgate.com it redirects me to co.uk, which in turn tells me this item is not available in your region. Bypassing this redirection and buying the game from the .com site is just as illegal as, well, you know what...(as you haven't paid any VAT)
 
Are you for real? Illegal, lol. People have been buying stuff for years from foreign sites in other currencies. Some enforce a VAT some do not. It's hardly my problem if they don't :)

Just tested it in case things have changed (went as far as confirming purchase without cornfirming payment)and no re-directions at my end (UK IP). It seemed happy enough to let me buy it again.
 
Try to buy it from Amazon.com and you'll see how real I am.

EDIT: If you've bypassed proxies or whatever, before to do this, then I'm afraid you've broke the law.

gamersgate.com doesn't redirect you to gamersgate.co.uk for no reason, do you understand?
 
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Try to buy it from Amazon.com and you'll see how real I am.
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I didn't buy it from there did I. No doubt Amazon may re-direct (that's their problem, and yours) but we are talking about gamersgate.

Honestly, are you of the opinion anyone who buys a game from a company outside the UK is 100% doing illegal dealings?...if so I think the chancellor needs to add about £50 billion to the next budget so they can build all the new jails needed to house us all...:p

I don't bypass anything, have only ever used my usual IP. Don't you mean USE proxies, rather than BYPASS proxies?.....seriously :confused:
 
for me, the RPGs as i played them in old days are dead. there are some studios that make good games today, but most of them are just making games for consoles in mind and then port it for PC.
back days i was really hyped for Oblivion and brought it on release only to discover a dumbed down and totally action oriented game. why? my response was that it was made for a console.
gothic series, very, very good. i had enjoyed the first and second one mostly. liked and key taping attack and the spellcasting was ok ( litlle overpowered with fire rain) but you needed to work your character mage first so he was a destroyer in the end.
now we got arcania that was made for ps3 xbox and finally for pc and i got that crap of gameplay, no dialogs whatsoever, beautiful round dungeons etc.
not so RPG related but to stand on my point Civ 5 port for PC. a game with lots of years of back games series, completely destroyed by being a console port for pc.
so my point is that making the same games for consoles and for pc is destroying the RPG genres, as i know it, why because the difference is that using a gamepad is requesting another type of game that using a keyboard and mouse.
 
Ozzie Dave said:
I didn't buy it from there did I. No doubt Amazon may re-direct (that's their problem, and yours) but we are talking about gamersgate.

Honestly, are you of the opinion anyone who buys a game from a company outside the UK is 100% doing illegal dealings?...if so I think the chancellor needs to add about £50 billion to the next budget so they can build all the new jails needed to house us all...:p

I don't bypass anything, have only ever used my usual IP. Don't you mean USE proxies, rather than BYPASS proxies?.....seriously :confused:
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Why are you acting so hostile exactly?

Can you give me a logical explanation as to why you think gamersgate has a .co.uk address and a .com, and games like the forementioned isn't available in the uk?

Yes, a lot of people are not paying VAT, it doesn't make it legal.

If your reply is just going to be the usual "are you for real", "don't you mean USE" etc. then don't bother replying, as I'll not reply to you.
 
Tell it to THQ. Was nice of them to refund mine (and everyone elses) $5/£3.14 we paid for Chaos Rising because they dropped the price on the US site to roughly 15-20% of the UK price so everyone used a made up american address and ordered it anyway via paypal.
 
davewhite04 said:
Why are you acting so hostile exactly?

Can you give me a logical explanation as to why you think gamersgate has a .co.uk address and a .com, and games like the forementioned isn't available in the uk?

Yes, a lot of people are not paying VAT, it doesn't make it legal.

If your reply is just going to be the usual "are you for real", "don't you mean USE" etc. then don't bother replying, as I'll not reply to you.
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Not hostile at all, just...perplexed. You seem to be on some sort of crusade or are you trolling. I'm not sure which...?

If you feel so strongly about being 'legal' I assume you wouldn't dream of getting it some other way either. As you already put it a few posts back - "I know where I'll find it"
 
Ozzie Dave said:
Don't know what you've already played or not, but RPG games of the last few years we've had - both Drakensangs, NWN2+expansions, Risen, Nehrim (Oblivion total conversion, Gothic style feel to it) DivII: DKS is another good one (more ARPG but still a great RPG in its own right). Even Two Worlds II was good (if you can stomach the consolised interface). Indie RPGS like Avernum series? How about Eschalon I -II....that's just off the top of my head, there has been several others.
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I've tried them all except for Drakensang, and DIVII (no idea what they are, I'll look them up).

I found out about this game and cant wait for it:

http://www.irontowerstudio.com/

Graphics arent important, but I find Spiderwebsoftware games to bad to play on a widescreen monitor now. I loved them back in the 90s, but I couldnt get into Avernum 6 very much, and would rather just play BG again which is what I'm doing.
 
Yeah, Age of Decadance looks promising but its been forever in development...well it feels like that anyway. I really hope the guys finally get it out the door. They have a lot passion for RPGs.

Both Drakensangs are well worth getting. The first is a pretty long game (by todays standards) Can take 60+ hrs to get through. The second is shorter but more polished. Voice acting is a bit cringeworthy at times but not terrible. The main thing is the gameplay itself can be quite tactical and there are stats aplenty to chew over. IOW, they are good 'ol traditional RPGs :)

Divinity II: DKS is a game I really love. A bit 'actiony' but makes up for it with the well thought out quests/dialogue/occasional humour etc. It will take 80 -100+ hrs to complete. Its a wicked ride most of the way through. One of those games that feels greater than the sum of its parts.
 
Ozzie Dave said:
Not hostile at all, just...perplexed. You seem to be on some sort of crusade or are you trolling. I'm not sure which...?

If you feel so strongly about being 'legal' I assume you wouldn't dream of getting it some other way either. As you already put it a few posts back - "I know where I'll find it"
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The reason I'm actually pointing this out is not because I'm on a crusade but because instead of people paying, whatever you paid, you, personally, could actually get it for free, and it's just as legal, or illegal as the case may be.
 
On a lighter note, I've just got my digital copy now and am going to give it a bash, maybe it will make up for the disappointmet of Dragon Age 2 :)
 
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