March in London on the 26th?

[dirtydog]

Just woke up, after being caught in Cameron's 'Operation Halt All Trains For Slight Revenge'

Was a great march, met a lot of people and now i can't be bothered to sift through 20 pages worth of right wing complaining.

As for the violence? There was very little of it. Nobody was hurt. Actually, the police were the only violent ones. Violence means attacking people. What some were doing was attacking property. Of which there is no such thing. There's personal property, which you need to survive and to exercise your craft, and there's private property - which implies that you have something that somebody else needs and they must earn it. This is not the case, it is just an illusion.

So here's the real story:

The UK Uncut action was peaceful in every sense of the word, including the occupations on Oxford St. The occupation of F&M was also completely peaceful, with no stock being damaged at all. Outside what appeared to be the Black Bloc were attacking property, and good on them for doing so - brilliant organization on their part. Later on the occupation of Trafalgar Square (i believe it was there anyway) was also completely peaceful in every sense of the word, the police were just looking for a fight and so when somebody stuck a sticker on the Olympic Clock they screamed criminal damage and went in all guns blazing.

Also, to those who were saying there would only be a few thousand, lets have a look at the scale of this. I arrived at Embankment at about 11:30, where everywhere you could see, including the bridges and side streets, was packed with people. Surprisingly light police presence, but i'm not going to complain. Anyway, after battling my way to where my dad's union (Unison) was, we began the march. This is more than 20 people wide the whole way through, and we were pretty near the front apparently. Definitely more than three people per meter squared to start with. Anyway, at no point did we actually see the start, and we definitely didn't see the end. By the time we arrived in Hyde Park the area in front of the stage was packed, and people were still pouring in. We got a text from somebody an hour later saying they were still stuck at Embankment. At roughly 7PM the march finished, when everybody made it to Hyde Park. That's easily half a million, probably more.

ok

 

[Floogie]

We provide direct retaliatory protection to the other NATO members for a start... You appear to be arguing that we should give up this independence and cower behind the USA instead?

Flimsy justification then. We protect no-one directly that isn't protected by NATO's nukes anyway. Also let me also call straw-man here as I suggested two measures and my preference already. Neither of which is what you are purporting my argument to be.

If we want to cut the defence budget to free up money, the solution is to keep trident as it is a very good defensive setup, and dramatically cut back the armed forces which have far more use outside of the direct defence of the country....

So cut more jobs is your suggestion? Typical and foolhardy.

 

[mushroomsoup]

lolsuperewza

No one was hurt? I suspected you didn't read the news.. (omgright wing news reply is fully expected )

 

[[TW]Fox]

Violence means attacking people. What some were doing was attacking property. Of which there is no such thing. There's personal property, which you need to survive and to exercise your craft, and there's private property - which implies that you have something that somebody else needs and they must earn it. This is not the case, it is just an illusion.

Why do people with your views always conform so beautifully to the same stereotype?

Seriously, are you quite mad? Do you actually beleive what you wrote in that paragraph?

Outside what appeared to be the Black Bloc were attacking property, and good on them for doing so - brilliant organization on their part.

Good on them? You congratulate people for attacking property?

 

[Danthus]

Just woke up, after being caught in Cameron's 'Operation Halt All Trains For Slight Revenge'

Was a great march, met a lot of people and now i can't be bothered to sift through 20 pages worth of right wing complaining.

As for the violence? There was very little of it. Nobody was hurt. Actually, the police were the only violent ones. Violence means attacking people. What some were doing was attacking property. Of which there is no such thing. There's personal property, which you need to survive and to exercise your craft, and there's private property - which implies that you have something that somebody else needs and they must earn it. This is not the case, it is just an illusion.

So here's the real story:

The UK Uncut action was peaceful in every sense of the word, including the occupations on Oxford St. The occupation of F&M was also completely peaceful, with no stock being damaged at all. Outside what appeared to be the Black Bloc were attacking property, and good on them for doing so - brilliant organization on their part. Later on the occupation of Trafalgar Square (i believe it was there anyway) was also completely peaceful in every sense of the word, the police were just looking for a fight and so when somebody stuck a sticker on the Olympic Clock they screamed criminal damage and went in all guns blazing.

Also, to those who were saying there would only be a few thousand, lets have a look at the scale of this. I arrived at Embankment at about 11:30, where everywhere you could see, including the bridges and side streets, was packed with people. Surprisingly light police presence, but i'm not going to complain. Anyway, after battling my way to where my dad's union (Unison) was, we began the march. This is more than 20 people wide the whole way through, and we were pretty near the front apparently. Definitely more than three people per meter squared to start with. Anyway, at no point did we actually see the start, and we definitely didn't see the end. By the time we arrived in Hyde Park the area in front of the stage was packed, and people were still pouring in. We got a text from somebody an hour later saying they were still stuck at Embankment. At roughly 7PM the march finished, when everybody made it to Hyde Park. That's easily half a million, probably more.

So the footage i saw on TV, I didn't really see it?

 

[Floogie]

Also, to those who were saying there would only be a few thousand, lets have a look at the scale of this. I arrived at Embankment at about 11:30, where everywhere you could see, including the bridges and side streets, was packed with people. Surprisingly light police presence, but i'm not going to complain. Anyway, after battling my way to where my dad's union (Unison) was, we began the march. This is more than 20 people wide the whole way through, and we were pretty near the front apparently. Definitely more than three people per meter squared to start with. Anyway, at no point did we actually see the start, and we definitely didn't see the end. By the time we arrived in Hyde Park the area in front of the stage was packed, and people were still pouring in. We got a text from somebody an hour later saying they were still stuck at Embankment. At roughly 7PM the march finished, when everybody made it to Hyde Park. That's easily half a million, probably more.

I had a similar experience. Ended up being routed round Strand and finally making the original assembly point close to 2.30pm. The crowd was still tight all the way up to Trafalgar where it melted away with folks grabbing the tube to get to their relevant coach parks. I saw the occupation on Oxford Street, the damage to the banks and the "bonfire" at Oxford Circus. It really wasn't much of a deal and certainly not the anarchist apocalypse the papers are portraying it as.

 

[PermaBanned]

lolsuperewza

No one was hurt? I suspected you didn't read the news.. (omgright wing news reply is fully expected )

I did, but who needs news when you could actually see it, or hear from people who were there?

Good on them? You congratulate people for attacking property?

For attacking corporate property, yes.

 

[Azza]

Don't usually use the ignore list but this is getting too much now.

 

[Al Vallario]

As for the violence? There was very little of it. Nobody was hurt. Actually, the police were the only violent ones. Violence means attacking people. What some were doing was attacking property. Of which there is no such thing. There's personal property, which you need to survive and to exercise your craft, and there's private property - which implies that you have something that somebody else needs and they must earn it. This is not the case, it is just an illusion.

violence
noun [mass noun]
1 behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something

 

[Danthus]

Why do people with your views always conform so beautifully to the same stereotype?

Seriously, are you quite mad? Do you actually beleive what you wrote in that paragraph?



Good on them? You congratulate people for attacking property?

As long as is not his property.

 

[mushroomsoup]

I did, but who needs news when you could actually see it, or hear from people who were there?

So your telling me that because you were stuck in a crowd of people for hours that you were able to see more than a news helicopter in the sky?

 

[RoboCod]

I had a similar experience. Ended up being routed round Strand and finally making the original assembly point close to 2.30pm. The crowd was still tight all the way up to Trafalgar where it melted away with folks grabbing the tube to get to their relevant coach parks. I saw the occupation on Oxford Street, the damage to the banks and the "bonfire" at Oxford Circus. It really wasn't much of a deal and certainly not the anarchist apocalypse the papers are portraying it as.

I was there until 2am, and Trafalgar and Picaddily really was an "anarchistic apocolypse".

 

[Al Vallario]

For attacking corporate property, yes.

What's the difference?

Corporations are owned by people.

So if I burn your house down that's wrong, but if I burn down your business that's a-ok?

Or can I burn your house down?

 

[RoboCod]

I did, but who needs news when you could actually see it, or hear from people who were there?



For attacking corporate property, yes.

But it will be your tax money that is used to clean it all up :\

 

[PermaBanned]

So your telling me that because you were stuck in a crowd of people for hours that you were able to see more than a news helicopter in the sky?

No, i'm telling you that the initial estimates of between 200 and 300 thousand were well off

 

[[TW]Fox]

For attacking corporate property, yes.

It still belongs to somebody, even if that somebody is a corporate entity.

Have you ever worked? Or are you just another idealistic student sullying the good name of other students?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

As for the violence? There was very little of it. Nobody was hurt.

Not from what I saw.

with no stock being damaged at all

But wasn't thousands of pounds worth of stock stolen? Or at least that is what reports from the police are saying right now.

. Outside what appeared to be the Black Bloc were attacking property, and good on them for doing so - brilliant organization on their part.

Why 'good on them'? What kind of sociopath are you? Or is this all about your politics of envy and fantasy?

Also, to those who were saying there would only be a few thousand, lets have a look at the scale of this. I arrived at Embankment at about 11:30, where everywhere you could see, including the bridges and side streets, was packed with people. Surprisingly light police presence, but i'm not going to complain. Anyway, after battling my way to where my dad's union (Unison) was, we began the march. This is more than 20 people wide the whole way through, and we were pretty near the front apparently. Definitely more than three people per meter squared to start with. Anyway, at no point did we actually see the start, and we definitely didn't see the end. By the time we arrived in Hyde Park the area in front of the stage was packed, and people were still pouring in. We got a text from somebody an hour later saying they were still stuck at Embankment. At roughly 7PM the march finished, when everybody made it to Hyde Park. That's easily half a million, probably more.

The consensus seems to be around the 250,000 to 300,000 mark, so no.

 

[Danthus]

I did, but who needs news when you could actually see it, or hear from people who were there?

Oh dear.

For attacking corporate property, yes.

I bet you were one of the people armed with a camera from Nikon or Canon, a nice pair of Nike trainers and quaffing a lovely ice cold can of Coca Cola.

 

[dirtydog]

For attacking corporate property, yes.

Owned by ordinary people, who pay into pensions etc. - people like you, your mum, your dad. THEIR money goes on cleaning up the mess that those morons made yesterday.

 

[mushroomsoup]

No, i'm telling you that the initial estimates of between 200 and 300 thousand were well off

I'm not disputing that. Don't try and change the subject, I was talking about your blatant denial of violence against people and property as a result of the march. When you say that you were there and you didn't see any violence that is fair enough, as you were stuck in a crowd in a particular place and not omnipresent - but to deny violence because you saw none is silly, the evidence is clear, the cameras don't lie.