They shouldn't have been in there.
March in London on the 26th?
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They shouldn't have been in there.
No, really you don't...
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Haha, sums the whole thing up really.
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Super, you're just plain deluded!! It's unrealistic and immature!!
Write off money?! Tear down society and start again?!?!?
Just ridiculous and assuming you're over 18 pathetic. Your views are fascinating and entertaining, but of absolutely no substance or value.
Write off money?! Tear down society and start again?!?!?
Just ridiculous and assuming you're over 18 pathetic. Your views are fascinating and entertaining, but of absolutely no substance or value.
What is the point? Like every other time I, or another poster, have ripped his arguments apart he will just do a bit of hand waving and say "Well, it will all work out in the end." Not to mention in the post in question he said he wouldn't bother responding to the "right wingers". Which is pretty much anyone right of Karl Marx in Superewza's world.
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I agree in part and I disagree in part
I fully agree that cuts don't need to be made and the knock on effect it could potentially have on the economy are dangerous. I made it clear earlier that the debt we are in is very good when compared to other countries (namely Japan and America) we are healthy in Europe
I think, the Government could easily cut benefits and look to create new jobs and help people on benefits gain a better education. I think with the reform talks of the Tories, well I do have to say I like the idea, instead of simply throwing money at something much like Labour did, why not get the best people together and reform all public services and tighten up budgets, money saved could be reinvested in to other public services.
Re, Viva La Revolution! I'd love a revolution, I wouldn't go the same extreme as you, I think the current system we have isn't in theory too bad. I think it needs major reshaping and reforming. I think the capitalist side of things is out of hand, but could be brought back in keeping. I'd also like to see England catch up with other European countries in the infrastructure side of things. I'd like to see a very different England, but one that's not too far from what we have now. I just don't think given the options available to (realistically) vote for either are brave enough to do anything like that. Reform and rebuild the country in big chunks and reinvest in the future.
So, blah, I agree in parts and you make good points but I think we disagree on a few things as well just we don't disagree on the same scale as us and almost everyone else in here 
I agree in part and I disagree in part
I fully agree that cuts don't need to be made and the knock on effect it could potentially have on the economy are dangerous. I made it clear earlier that the debt we are in is very good when compared to other countries (namely Japan and America) we are healthy in Europe
I think, the Government could easily cut benefits and look to create new jobs and help people on benefits gain a better education. I think with the reform talks of the Tories, well I do have to say I like the idea, instead of simply throwing money at something much like Labour did, why not get the best people together and reform all public services and tighten up budgets, money saved could be reinvested in to other public services.
Re, Viva La Revolution! I'd love a revolution, I wouldn't go the same extreme as you, I think the current system we have isn't in theory too bad. I think it needs major reshaping and reforming. I think the capitalist side of things is out of hand, but could be brought back in keeping. I'd also like to see England catch up with other European countries in the infrastructure side of things. I'd like to see a very different England, but one that's not too far from what we have now. I just don't think given the options available to (realistically) vote for either are brave enough to do anything like that. Reform and rebuild the country in big chunks and reinvest in the future.
So, blah, I agree in parts and you make good points but I think we disagree on a few things as well
just we don't disagree on the same scale as us and almost everyone else in here Chris [BEANS];18769384 said:
I think that's where me and him start to have major differences tbh, he raises similar points to me maybe he's more extreme but they share the same themes.
I just don't quite agree this "take" on how England should be run
Or tax the rich.
Super, have you got a plan B? Cos your A plan sure as **** aint happening.
I know you and i are never going to think the same but answer me this, how far are YOU prepared to go, are you going to cut your nose off to spite your face and always live in a cardboard box eating scraps from bins so as not to conform, while you wait for the great day?
Or are you going to get a job until the day of the revolution and spend money?
I mean i like a man with principles and conviction, i really think you should step up and start the revolution, throw those trainers in the bin, make some from cardboard, set the bar mate, and take some pictures so we can see how thats working out for you.
I know you and i are never going to think the same but answer me this, how far are YOU prepared to go, are you going to cut your nose off to spite your face and always live in a cardboard box eating scraps from bins so as not to conform, while you wait for the great day?
Or are you going to get a job until the day of the revolution and spend money?
I mean i like a man with principles and conviction, i really think you should step up and start the revolution, throw those trainers in the bin, make some from cardboard, set the bar mate, and take some pictures so we can see how thats working out for you.
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Re: Super
I agree in part and I disagree in part
I fully agree that cuts don't need to be made and the knock on effect it could potentially have on the economy are dangerous. I made it clear earlier that the debt we are in is very good when compared to other countries (namely Japan and America) we are healthy in Europe
I think, the Government could easily cut benefits and look to create new jobs and help people on benefits gain a better education. I think with the reform talks of the Tories, well I do have to say I like the idea, instead of simply throwing money at something much like Labour did, why not get the best people together and reform all public services and tighten up budgets, money saved could be reinvested in to other public services.
Re, Viva La Revolution! I'd love a revolution, I wouldn't go the same extreme as you, I think the current system we have isn't in theory too bad. I think it needs major reshaping and reforming. I think the capitalist side of things is out of hand, but could be brought back in keeping. I'd also like to see England catch up with other European countries in the infrastructure side of things. I'd like to see a very different England, but one that's not too far from what we have now. I just don't think given the options available to (realistically) vote for either are brave enough to do anything like that. Reform and rebuild the country in big chunks and reinvest in the future.
So, blah, I agree in parts and you make good points but I think we disagree on a few things as well
Fair enough, the only problem i have with that is the underlying capitalist competition between countries and superpowers, when in reality we should be working together, just because you're on a different land mass or side of an artificial border doesn't mean you can't. Glad i could help you to understand though
And RDM, you do. Want to know how i know? I remember it. Sounds weird, yes, i know, but true
Fair enough, the only problem i have with that is the underlying capitalist competition between countries and superpowers, when in reality we should be working together, just because you're on a different land mass or side of an artificial border doesn't mean you can't. Glad i could help you to understand though
And RDM, you do. Want to know how i know? I remember it. Sounds weird, yes, i know, but true
You bang on about capitalism but you directly support it, along with all of those other idiots smashing windows etc.
oh I agree that the World should work together towards a common goal of bettering itself and reaching future out in to the stars, but when there are such Governments ruled by money and fear and people ruled by religion and fear it isn't going to happen.
You or me can't change the system, you might as well adopt the system so it's as good as it can be, which at present it certainly isn't and under either main political party it won't be
You or me can't change the system, you might as well adopt the system so it's as good as it can be, which at present it certainly isn't and under either main political party it won't be
Thing is, I enjoy the current system.
I work for my dads small business, dealing directly with customers, ie we buy, install, charge. No big conspiracy keeping us in our places, I enjoy my work and have an enjoyable life of socializing, going places and doing things I want to do with people I want to be with. To allow me to do this, I work hard and earn money.
How would your system be different, specifically to an electrical installation engineer? (doesn't matter which sector).
Who are all of these people who slog their little hearts out feeding the big evil capitalist man? The whole horse/pig animal farm thing etc. I certainly haven't met any?
Or are you saying that you are enlightened in comparison to the rest of us misguided, brainwashed worker drones?
I do think the system needs to be modified. If you look back around 500-800 years, we had a terrible system in comparision, literally peasants working for Lord Whatshisface, and getting nothing in return. But can't you see how far we've come? And how close we are to a compromise?
Things like this don't happen in one day, one revolution, they take lots of little steps, and the more people there, the longer it takes to get everyone in time.
I think your views are wrong. I think you want to go too far and screw up the thing people have been working on for hundreds of years, you want to give up and try again from scratch, rather than work within the system.
As for not responding to 'right wingers', what if you do succeed, what will you do with these people, ignore them? Hypocrite.
I work for my dads small business, dealing directly with customers, ie we buy, install, charge. No big conspiracy keeping us in our places, I enjoy my work and have an enjoyable life of socializing, going places and doing things I want to do with people I want to be with. To allow me to do this, I work hard and earn money.
How would your system be different, specifically to an electrical installation engineer? (doesn't matter which sector).
Who are all of these people who slog their little hearts out feeding the big evil capitalist man? The whole horse/pig animal farm thing etc. I certainly haven't met any?
Or are you saying that you are enlightened in comparison to the rest of us misguided, brainwashed worker drones?
I do think the system needs to be modified. If you look back around 500-800 years, we had a terrible system in comparision, literally peasants working for Lord Whatshisface, and getting nothing in return. But can't you see how far we've come? And how close we are to a compromise?
Things like this don't happen in one day, one revolution, they take lots of little steps, and the more people there, the longer it takes to get everyone in time.
I think your views are wrong. I think you want to go too far and screw up the thing people have been working on for hundreds of years, you want to give up and try again from scratch, rather than work within the system.
As for not responding to 'right wingers', what if you do succeed, what will you do with these people, ignore them? Hypocrite.
a popular trial by a minority?
interesting by your logic it would be fully justified for the government to have the police drag you all from your beds to night to face a trial by mob.
after all you're opposed to the majority's cause and apparently that makes you a perfectly acceptable target for violence.
Well Superewza, at least your little fantasies give you something to keep yourself occupied.
Your 'big revolutionary march' will be forgotten about this time tomorrow, just some of the media might still be running stories about all the nasty violence, further painting you all in a bad light. Ah well, life isn't fair
In the big picture, you've all done nothing except waste police time, and make the idiots in the Labour party feel special for a day, until it turned sour, then they washed their hands of you all. Hehe.
Your 'big revolutionary march' will be forgotten about this time tomorrow, just some of the media might still be running stories about all the nasty violence, further painting you all in a bad light. Ah well, life isn't fair
In the big picture, you've all done nothing except waste police time, and make the idiots in the Labour party feel special for a day, until it turned sour, then they washed their hands of you all. Hehe.
Fair enough, the only problem i have with that is the underlying capitalist competition between countries and superpowers, when in reality we should be working together, just because you're on a different land mass or side of an artificial border doesn't mean you can't. Glad i could help you to understand though
And RDM, you do. Want to know how i know? I remember it. Sounds weird, yes, i know, but true
The idea of capitalism is that it combats laziness by forcing organisations to compete with each other, to survive and make money. In your society, how is this laziness combated?
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oh I agree that the World should work together towards a common goal of bettering itself and reaching future out in to the stars, but when there are such Governments ruled by money and fear and people ruled by religion and fear it isn't going to happen.
You or me can't change the system, you might as well adopt the system so it's as good as it can be, which at present it certainly isn't and under either main political party it won't be
Not on our own, but at some point those with all the money/power will grow too confident and push people too far. That's what my dad was saying to me on the train down yesterday, he said when he first became a Socialist (commenting on a book i was reading that he bought when he was my age) he thought that because he understood it and that we needed a revolution that it would happen pretty quickly, all you needed to do was tell people. Which, in a way, takes a load off our shoulders, but at the same time takes away some of the hope that the individual can make a real difference. I will play my part if i ever get the chance, but can i make it happen? No.
That's why i think capitalism can never be 'nice'. For every person who succeeds somebody else must fail. Take our country as one that 'succeeded' and all the 'third world' countries riddled with poverty as those that failed.