March in London on the 26th?

Chris [BEANS];18771910 said:
You don't actually believe that do you??
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Nah but the loonies need to realise that they aren't doing the legitimate protesters any favours, obviously they don't give a stuff and just want to smash some stuff up and throw stuff at the Police ;)

Government must be rubbing their hands together when they see a lefty with a spray can!!

HEADRAT
 
scorza said:
The protest was titled "March for the Alternative" - re-read the first page of this thread if you can't remember what the proposed alternative is. In no way was it a "No Cuts" rally.

Maybe you should take your blinkers off and go to places like Liverpool, Hull, Burnley, Bradford. What's happening there is a form of economic apartheid and quite frankly life in these places is going to be intolerable if the government get their way.
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Maybe you should consider reading some sources:

Lord West of Spithead, the former Labour minister, suggested that Mr Miliband had risked sending out “mixed messages” by appearing alongside posters demanding “no cuts” when the “reality” was that the party acknowledged that some were necessary.
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The criticism isn't just coming from me, or the Tories. What he did was a tragic error, not only in attending, but also what he said.

Also, economic apartheid is a logical fallacy (appealing to emotion). Not least as apartheid is a race-related term. I have several friends in Hull, Liverpool and Bradford, from the unemployed to doctors. None have complained about cleansing and killings yet.

HEADRAT said:
Nah but the loonies need to realise that they aren't doing the legitimate protesters any favours, obviously they don't give a stuff and just want to smash some stuff up and throw stuff at the Police ;)

Government must be rubbing their hands together when they see a lefty with a spray can!!
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Agreed. When the whole tuition-fee debacle was in full force, (in Manchester) the looney Socialist Worker Party (or whatever) took old of the fight and it quickly degenerated.
 
Superewza said:
I didn't say you needed to be taught it, i said you learned it. I have a very, very faint memory of being born - just the sensation of going from being warm and comfortable to being cold and wanting to go back, like getting out of bed in the morning. Then i remember feeling a bit weird, and starting to breathe, thinking (not in words, but in emotions and actions) "urgh, i hope i'm not going to have to do this forever" but i soon got the hang of it. I may have made this up, but it definitely feels like a proper memory :)
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Just wow at this quote from you. Nice dream you had that you actually believe to be reality.

Can I ask Superewza, in your ideal world with no money and everyone helping everyone else. Who is going to do the horrible jobs that are really bad for your health. Such as working in mines or working on the factory floor packing boxes day in day out. If everyone has a choice, do you really believe anyone is going to choose to do these jobs without any financial incentive?

Why would it be fair for someone to risk their life in a mine for no gain, when in your world I can just do my hobby's that I enjoy as it's a free world right?
 
naffa said:
Here's to hoping that this the last nail in the coffin for Ed's leadership, he has now moved himself to 'beyond a joke'.
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I concur - I'm hoping Labour destroys itself in short order and another viable third party comes to the fore.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Nick Herbert has just been on the box praising the Met and their handling of the demonstrations as well as the violence and laid into armchair critics.

Perhaps that and the excellent job the Met do policing a city of 7 million by night and about 12 million by day with 35,000 officers on the books should be considered before police pay and conditions are slashed as the Coalition intends.
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There was a good article (opinion) somewhere (Telegraph/Grauniad/Inde) about how the front-line cuts are politically motivated to appeal to emotion.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Oh it appeals to my emotion matey. Work longer, paid less, higher pension contributions and less pension.
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It shouldn't happen though (bar the state-private sector standardisation e.g., pension). Makes me rage. Some perks should go (a police friend gets paid even if he's not working? Standby or something), but police, like nurses need their pay recognised in line with the work they do.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Perhaps that and the excellent job the Met do policing a city of 7 million by night and about 12 million by day with 35,000 officers on the books should be considered before police pay and conditions are slashed as the Coalition intends.
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What part of "we''re all in this together" don't you understand?

HEADRAT said:
Just like everybody else then ;)
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I see so many lemmings in this thread with comments like that.

If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it to?

The only thing you'll win with an attitude like that is the race to the bottom.
 
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scorza said:
The protest was titled "March for the Alternative" - re-read the first page of this thread if you can't remember what the proposed alternative is. In no way was it a "No Cuts" rally.

Maybe you should take your blinkers off and go to places like Liverpool, Hull, Burnley, Bradford. What's happening there is a form of economic apartheid and quite frankly life in these places is going to be intolerable if the government get their way.
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What is the alternative then, because all I heard was a combination of no are cuts needs, cut slower, tax the banks.
 
amigafan2003 said:
The only thing you'll win with an attitude like that is the race to the bottom.
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Rubbish, I just don't see how those in the public sector can hope to be insulated from the pain everybody else in the private has/is feeling. The fact that in certain parts of the Country that the Private sector is the largest employer is a said indictment of how topsy turvy things have become!

If I worked in the Private sector I would be protesting as wll but deep down I'd know that things can't carry on the way they where.

These "protesters" are just like the "football hooligans", they have no interest in the actual protest they just wanna fight.
 
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HEADRAT said:
Just like everybody else then ;)
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Slight difference for cops though in fairness.

I can ( and have ) been told at the end of a shift that such and such has kicked off and I am required to stay back and I can be ordered to do so.

I can't strike.

I have numerous restrictions on my private life.

I can't take a second job.

I don't want sympathy you understand and I accept the two year pay freeze as part of the cuts, a potential 10% pay cut if inflation stays as it is but I take exception to the pension being worth less if the government get their way. Policing is not a retire at 65 profession.

What part of "we''re all in this together" don't you understand?
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That's just it though. We are not all in this together.
 
You can indeed but most cops get a job when they retire so they still pay pax, often at 40%.

Do you want to see 60 or 65 year old PCs on the streets on a Friday or Saturday night ? I don't see that as workable.

Also, 9-5 workers don't get assaulted as part of the job.
 
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