That you know of
Not everyone wants to advertise to the world that they are reliant on a drug to alter their brain chemistry.
Sorry I thought that was obvious
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Sorry I thought that was obvious
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Exactly, blame todays British culture for this. Live life in the UK to work stupid amount of hours as a standard, with little breaks, to get stressed. When something major hits people in their life which they are suppose to deal with mentally and can’t so they turn to medication to temporally make them feel better. Instead of learning to deal with the problem and sort it out.
You've also got to be careful when giving anti depressants to clinically depressed people (especially the teens to early 20's) because they cause suicidal ideation and also increase the likelihood people will act on those thought.
However they also found if don't give them antidepressant the suicide rate also goes up because the more severe cases slip though untreated (or at least under treated)
What a wonderful "you're ****ed either way" situation.
Sorry anti depressants make you "temporally feel better. Instead of learning to deal with the problem "?
You should try them if you think that, you'll also have a lot more problems to worry about once you start them too.
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Not really fella. It's what you make of life, has nothing to do with living in the UK. Here especially you have a soft cushion to land on when you fall flat on your arse. In many countries you end up under a bridge (if there's space) if you fall on hard times. Problem we have in the UK is that we're always chasing the Jones's. The more we gather expensive worthless crap, the better we think it'll make us feel. It doesn't. You'll always be chasing happiness if you're trying to find it in the shops or medication bottles.
We focus on the wrong things here and try and fix it with pills. That's all.
I don't get the stigma attached to anti-depressants. I was on them for about a year about a decade ago as I was suffering from depression. Started off with just cognitive therapy which helped a little bit, but once I was perscribed anti-depressants I felt the benefits after a few weeks.
Like many illnesses, it can be caused by a chemical imbalance in the body (the brain in this case). Most of the people on here complaining wouldn't think twice about taking a drug if there was a chemical imbalance that was causing a heart or kidney problem, so why the uproar when its to do with the mind?
Like many illnesses, it can be caused by a chemical imbalance in the body (the brain in this case). Most of the people on here complaining wouldn't think twice about taking a drug if there was a chemical imbalance that was causing a heart or kidney problem, so why the uproar when its to do with the mind?
I wonder if another reason is because the NHS has traditionally not been very good at providing mental health services, do GPs just prescribe anti-depressants because there aren't many other forms of treatment (such as talking therapy) available to them?
Not really.
There are a huge number of services the nhs provides, before during and after the medication stage.
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People do need a kick up the backside.
This is what is wrong with people these days.
They expect to sit on their arses, feeling sorry for themselves, and expect the doctors and the taxpayer to pay for pills to magically turn their life around.
If you are truely depressed and not just feeling like a failure because you are, then getting out of it requires hard work.
It means getting off your arse, exercising, getting out of the house, eating healthy, being healthy, and making the changes in your life to get things fixed.
FAR too many people are quite happy to sit and stuff their faces, go out and booze, take drugs, and then start moaning when they are "depressed" or too "depressed" to go to work.
Its nonsense.
Sure, you do get a TINY percentage of genuine cases that are serious, and require urgent assistance with medication, no one is denying that, but for the most part, people are just too damn lazy and ignorant to help themselves, and expect others and pills to do the job for them.
Its just like fat people who have liposuction or a gastric bypass, too damn lazy to put the work in to turn their life around and do it properly. Its pathetic.
However when you think about it from an evolutionary point of view, depression weeds out the weak, as nature is all about survival of the fittest, and the strongest and best genes go on to make another generation. If someone commits suicide, then nature has taken its course, and you could argue that the weaker genes have been removed from the genepool.
This is what is wrong with people these days.
They expect to sit on their arses, feeling sorry for themselves, and expect the doctors and the taxpayer to pay for pills to magically turn their life around.
If you are truely depressed and not just feeling like a failure because you are, then getting out of it requires hard work.
It means getting off your arse, exercising, getting out of the house, eating healthy, being healthy, and making the changes in your life to get things fixed.
FAR too many people are quite happy to sit and stuff their faces, go out and booze, take drugs, and then start moaning when they are "depressed" or too "depressed" to go to work.
Its nonsense.
Sure, you do get a TINY percentage of genuine cases that are serious, and require urgent assistance with medication, no one is denying that, but for the most part, people are just too damn lazy and ignorant to help themselves, and expect others and pills to do the job for them.
Its just like fat people who have liposuction or a gastric bypass, too damn lazy to put the work in to turn their life around and do it properly. Its pathetic.
However when you think about it from an evolutionary point of view, depression weeds out the weak, as nature is all about survival of the fittest, and the strongest and best genes go on to make another generation. If someone commits suicide, then nature has taken its course, and you could argue that the weaker genes have been removed from the genepool.
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I’ve never been on them myself but I know 3 of my friends have and this is what they told me.
Once they stopped taking anti depressants whatever they were going through never got solved and they still felt like crap. After a few advice sessions they are now better and happier people and would never turn back to anti depressants because they realised the temporally happy feeling was more of an addition than an mental fix.
I knew there would be a lot of people against this post as soon as I read it
In all honesty, to me there are elements of it that appear to be true.
I have known a few people with serious depression and it clearly is an issue when you can't get out of bed in the morning because you don't see the point. But others I know who have been on anti-depressants also suffer from the most ridiculous 'boo-hoo' syndrome whereby they have the following symptoms:
1) A refusal to believe that anything is their fault and it's all down to circumstances they can't control (which is completely bogus)
2) A tendancy to construe everything to be against them or that others are selfish to the deteriment of the depressed
3) Getting upset at things which you really shouldn't.
All these points can be retorted with 'you don't know what it's like' and 'it's easy to judge the less fortunate from sitting from the top', but I do question the extent to which these are valid reasons for certain individuals and whether certain people use anti-depressants / depression as an excuse because it's easier than admitting that you are entirely responsible for your actions.
I'll just join the queue to laugh at Bizzle the thread jester/troll
You are currently topping my list of clueless/nasty people in GD, I'm sure you can appreciate the honour.
I went on them when I realised I'd ceased to be a functional human being, and making plans to kill myself was just another way to pass the time. Yet apart from being a bit quiet, I looked just like everyone else and held down a really stressful job for years.
I've stopped taking them now, not that I feel any better, but I'm just used to living in a depressed state and talking to doctors makes me miserable.
Yay.
You are currently topping my list of clueless/nasty people in GD, I'm sure you can appreciate the honour.
I went on them when I realised I'd ceased to be a functional human being, and making plans to kill myself was just another way to pass the time. Yet apart from being a bit quiet, I looked just like everyone else and held down a really stressful job for years.
I've stopped taking them now, not that I feel any better, but I'm just used to living in a depressed state and talking to doctors makes me miserable.
Yay.
It's all too easy for doctors to simply write out a prescription for AD's when in fact it is only continuing the cycle and ultimately costing the NHS and benefits system more in the long run. A little more time spent chatting and giving encouragement rather than doling out prescriptions could save the NHS millions of pounds each year.
We all go through some sort of depression at one point in our lives but most of us are capable of overcoming the feelings and coping with them.
For a small minority, that doesn't seem to work so the problems each person faces which brings on the depression needs identifying and another approach to resolve these problems is needed if we are to get people away from drug reliance or dependency.
I do believe quite a number need a good kick up the ar** but there are those who are genuinely in need of help - mental illness/depression is very difficult to identify...in fact many people are not even aware they are suffering from it.
To say all those sufferers of depression just need a kicking is not the way forward, but neither is gratuitous drug prescribing - councelling would be far more beneficial for many sufferers in the long term.
We all go through some sort of depression at one point in our lives but most of us are capable of overcoming the feelings and coping with them.
For a small minority, that doesn't seem to work so the problems each person faces which brings on the depression needs identifying and another approach to resolve these problems is needed if we are to get people away from drug reliance or dependency.
I do believe quite a number need a good kick up the ar** but there are those who are genuinely in need of help - mental illness/depression is very difficult to identify...in fact many people are not even aware they are suffering from it.
To say all those sufferers of depression just need a kicking is not the way forward, but neither is gratuitous drug prescribing - councelling would be far more beneficial for many sufferers in the long term.
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Most people who are on anti depressants do not need to be, most doctors do not have the specialised training to diagnose depression, its an extremely small part of their training. Things are improving though, there are better facilities, better schemes and better courses of treatment rather than just prescribing anti depressants.
If anyone genuinly feels they are depressed, dont let your doctor prescribe something, ask if there is any local schemes that you could be referred to such as http://www.doingwell.org.uk/
If anyone genuinly feels they are depressed, dont let your doctor prescribe something, ask if there is any local schemes that you could be referred to such as http://www.doingwell.org.uk/
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Counselling is expensive and so is a Doctors time, handing out pills is the cheapest way
Oh and Bizzle, the cost of the drugs is far less than the cost of the prescription, so all these useless people are actually costing the NHS nothing
Counselling is expensive and so is a Doctors time, handing out pills is the cheapest way
Oh and Bizzle, the cost of the drugs is far less than the cost of the prescription, so all these useless people are actually costing the NHS nothing
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All I will add is if you haven't suffered depression or know someone that has then don't comment because you are ignorant to the condition and have no inclination of what you are talking about.
I am glad you have an opinion and are hpefully happy yourself.
depression is not about mopping around , feeling sorry for yourself, It affects so many aspects of your life, it's your body telling you hey enough we need to slow down here, it could easily be a heart attack, or stroke. Stress is a big factor, and yes learning to deal with things and situations is all part of recovering. All the meds do is block the chemicals in the brain that put these stress's in place they do not lift you they do not turn you into a zombie. they allow you to rest and allow your body to recover as it has reached it's limit in coping with the stress's and anxity of every day stuff. The misconception is base on the early symptoms that your fed up with it all and feel ******* off with things, this is what most people relate to depression.
A little education from a current sufferer!!
I am glad you have an opinion and are hpefully happy yourself.
depression is not about mopping around , feeling sorry for yourself, It affects so many aspects of your life, it's your body telling you hey enough we need to slow down here, it could easily be a heart attack, or stroke. Stress is a big factor, and yes learning to deal with things and situations is all part of recovering. All the meds do is block the chemicals in the brain that put these stress's in place they do not lift you they do not turn you into a zombie. they allow you to rest and allow your body to recover as it has reached it's limit in coping with the stress's and anxity of every day stuff. The misconception is base on the early symptoms that your fed up with it all and feel ******* off with things, this is what most people relate to depression.
A little education from a current sufferer!!
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AD are perfectly fine if you cant deal with certain things in life you have no control over such as death of a loved one. Thats enough to rip anyone apart and bring them down. But for the ones who dont see point of life or getting out of bed, yes they need a kick up the bum. Get out and do something to fix it and not "boo hoo, i am depressed" because they dont or cant get what they want.
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