Anyone else feel freaked out when going into an apple store?

Its not a bastardisation, its a marketing ploy designed to denote personal ownership of the brand not the product.

I own a ford fiesta == I own an object
I own ford fiesta == i own a brand

My ford fiesta is 'a ford fiesta' but 'ford fiesta' is a brand in its own right.

So the CEO of Apple could legitimately say 'I own Apple'
And by giving the customer the right to say 'I own <Brand>' transfers ownership of the brand to the customer

I own <Brand> == I buy into <Brand>

That sounds like it's taken directly from "The Church of Jobs Indoctrination Handbook".
 
Is that the reason 3DS Max is windows only? Do all those studios that use 3DS Max, stugle with media work flows, and their creativety being stifled from poor workflow performance? I do all that on my own PC, just replace Maya with 3DS Max, and I don't suffer in the way you're telling me I do. The stuff you're saying is simply untrue.

Never worked in a studio with 3DS Max..that tells a lot too. to add I dont think theirs anythign worng with the programme, but 3DS max need the Pc market..the Mac market is just to small for them...th seems to be a fine enough market for the other softwares exclusive to Mac...so cant work that out..deveopment costs?
Never worked in a Pc based Studio...that tells a lot too.

Ya REALLY wanna believ that if these places could dave tens of thousands of pounds on each work station they wouldnt?.

AN agin ill say it, how much experience have you had working from a pc to a mac Pro station?
 
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rafster on the other hand... my OG blackbook core duo only just died the other week (after 4 years) and its still worth enough cash to actually bother fixing

Understand, hence me saying it was my experience. Not necessarily saying everyone has the same problem. Happy with Dells as had no problems, so personally see no need to get another one.

G/f on the other hand loves Apple laptops.

Though the topic has slightly derailed, we're talking about Apple shops not Apple vs PC...irrespective of my view is of Apple products, the Apple stores are a bit metrosexual and over the top :p

It does make me think to a degree of the churches in US where people run around and fall down a lot praising Jesus...
 
Understand, hence me saying it was my experience. Not necessarily saying everyone has the same problem. Happy with Dells as had no problems, so personally see no need to get another one.

G/f on the other hand loves Apple laptops.

Though the topic has slightly derailed, we're talking about Apple shops not Apple vs PC...irrespective of my view is of Apple products, the Apple stores are a bit metrosexual and over the top :p

It does make me think to a degree of the churches in US where people run around and fall down a lot praising Jesus...
Ultra derailment.
Anyone seen Jesus camp?
Oh know, I can see it. The bit when they are in the mega church worshiping the rich pastor who gets to fly around the world and live off their 10%.
Oh dear, I can't get that out of my head jobs is just a false promiser with the extra 50% going to his pocket and brand name.
Time to take my tin hat off and look at SSD's.
 
Never worked in a studio with 3DS Max..that tells a lot too. to add I dont think theirs anythign worng with the programme, but 3DS max need the Pc market..the Mac market is just to small for them...th seems to be a fine enough market for the other softwares exclusive to Mac...so cant work that out..deveopment costs?
Never worked in a Pc based Studio...that tells a lot too.
Considering that Maya is for both PC and Mac, as well as being made by the same company as 3DS Max, I don't think it has anything to do with development costs or market size as Maya and 3DS Max don't cost dis-similar amounts. It just looks like you don't have a clue why and are thinking of exuses rather than just saying you don't know. Just think though, if it did have something to do with market size, what does that say about your previous post? If Macs are just that much better at the job, the market size shouldn't be a problem if Macs already have Maya.

Ya REALLY wanna believ that if these places could dave tens of thousands of pounds on each work station they wouldnt?.
No, actually. Having worked in such a company I know it's not as black and white as that. From my experience it'd be plausable to suggest that with some companies, it's simply because the person with the technical knowledge likes apple, therefore they tell the people in charge of ordering hardware that it must be apple, they oblige and buy apple hardware.

AN agin ill say it, how much experience have you had working from a pc to a mac Pro station?
That's largely irrelevant really.
 
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Excuse me, but you are talking out of your backside. Every single person i know that has an iPhone got it on contract, and when that contract came up for renewal every single one opted to continue the contract with the latest handset. That has been the workings of the contract industry for over a decade and well before the iPhone came into existence.

And no, you have made the claim you prove it, the onus is on you, and this is not a religious thread, so i am afraid you cant tender scripture as proof.

LOL and of course that invalidates my own primary experience doesn't it? Get off it.

Thanks again for proving to me you're lacking in grey-matter. Yes, exactly: this isn't a religious thread. Therefore what we're discussing at hand isn't meta-physical in nature and can be proven empirically one way or the other. You are disputing my claim(s) without any argument yet demanding more evidence than you know I'm able to provide. Not that it's false, simply that I don't have time or the inclination to go out do the research necessary to compile a report for your convenience. It's a fallacy and you're just trying to undermine the argument.

The onus is just as much on your to provide evidence to the contrary if you're going to demand the same of me.

Or alternatively you could at least try and stick to discussing the contentions themselves rather than flimsily trying to undermine them.

re: the contracts: Why get iPhones over another contract phone? Why not a Blackberry or an Android, why always an iPhone? They're not the holy grail of technology; far from it. It's a herd mentality and yearning for status and acceptance.

Kinda like people that buy cars because they look good and project an image, rather than because of the functionality. Not many people need big cars but they drive them.

Or how about clothes, people buy things they like the look of, even though they dont need to spend as much money like they do.

Or what about houses? How many people need to be in a 3 bed when they could be in a 1 or 2 bed flat?

Hmm, ok. It's just apple products that are bought in this way.

Morba, this was so painfully obvious you didn't need to bother responding.

My point of course - as you're aware - is that Apple have literally jumped on this behaviour and exaggerated a marketing campaign out of it beyond all buggery. My contention is that people are being stupid enough to buy into it.

Other products have done this and more so in the past. My contention with the whole thing is that people are claiming Apple are geniuses in terms of marketing or the products they produce when they are absolutely anything but. They're just playing on people's ego and stupidity.

If you want to celebrate someone so arrogantly manipulating people, then be my guest. I for one find it repulsive as I expect better of people.
 
re: the contracts: Why get iPhones over another contract phone? Why not a Blackberry or an Android, why always an iPhone? They're not the holy grail of technology; far from it. It's a herd mentality and yearning for status and acceptance.

Are you suggesting that everyone who owns an iPhone has bought it as a result of a herd mentality, or just some people?
 
That sounds like it's taken directly from "The Church of Jobs Indoctrination Handbook".

I must have missed that one. You are aware, i assume, that all marketing is the direct application of psychological research to affect real world consumer decisions? Whether it be Apple, Microsoft, Coca Cola, Honda Or Virigin et al, everything, right from the size of the font to the choice of wording is designed from the ground up to stick in your mind and affect your choices in the market place.

For instance, i know that in a blind taste test Coca Cola tastes EXACTLY the same as Pepsi. So which one do i buy? I but the Coca Cola because i relate to the brand better and i don't fit the pepsi 'skater boy' demographic.
 
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Some being the operative word here. The majority don't. The majority just buy the stuff as a status symbol to either follow the herd or pander to their own idiocy and ego. The minority will buy macs for specific purpose such as graphics design, etc.

This,
most people who buy into apples ipod/phone/pad products (and brag about it, which is most) then start to say they want a mac, not because they have thought it through and its best for them, just for status/coolness.

Or how its handles 3-5 GB files with half the ram and processing power about 5x faster that a better specced Pc machine.

Its also about 5x the price ;P

OT: I dont really go near apple shops, as its mostly the abnoxious posers that you are likely to notice if you go in, as they are attension seekers. If i were to be surrounded by these people i would go mad lol
 
For instance, i know that in a blind taste test Coca Cola tastes EXACTLY the same as Pepsi. So which one do i buy? I but the Coca Cola because i relate to the brand better and i don't fit the pepsi 'skater boy' demographic.

Your talking rubbish. They don't taste anything alike
 
I must have missed that one. You are aware, i assume, that all marketing is the direct application of psychological research to affect real world consumer decisions? Whether it be Apple, Microsoft, Coca Cola, Honda Or Virigin et al, everything, right from the size of the font to the choice of wording is designed from the ground up to stick in your mind and affect your choices in the market place.

For instance, i know that in a blind taste test Coca Cola tastes EXACTLY the same as Pepsi. So which one do i buy? I but the Coca Cola because i relate to the brand better and i don't fit the pepsi 'skater boy' demographic.

Coke tastes nothing like Pepsi, and I can tell blindfolded.
 
Pepsi is horrible (Pepsi Max is even worse), Coke is awesome.

Agreed pepsi has a spice undertone which is nasty. Funnily enough coke zero has a similar taste and pepsi max losses the spice flavour but wrecks it with far to much sweetness.

Diet only hate the taste of normal tastes like syrup and leaves a horrible feeling in the mouth.
 
That's largely irrelevant really.

So you havnt then?..how can it be irrelevant if you have no experience in using one over the other?

Why do all the large studios in the US make them Mac based?

Who do every conference on maniupulation or week long courses are all done on Macs?
 
Its not a bastardisation, its a marketing ploy designed to denote personal ownership of the brand not the product.

I own a ford fiesta == I own an object
I own ford fiesta == i own a brand

My ford fiesta is 'a ford fiesta' but 'ford fiesta' is a brand in its own right.

So the CEO of Apple could legitimately say 'I own Apple'
And by giving the customer the right to say 'I own <Brand>' transfers ownership of the brand to the customer

I own <Brand> == I buy into <Brand>

What a load of rubbish. I assume you're a first year Psychology and Marketing student?
It's poor English, end of.
 
So you havnt then?..how can it be irrelevant if you have no experience in using one over the other?

Why do all the large studios in the US make them Mac based?

Who do every conference on maniupulation or week long courses are all done on Macs?

What are your thoughts on the rest of my post that you chose to ignore?
 
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