Who here believes in UFO'S?

bhavv said:
Well maybe if you stopped posting your mumbo jumbo nonsense as a means to try and refute my beliefs, I wouldnt need to point out that your weak philosophical arguments do not qualify as facts against my opinions.
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The issue is that you rely on philosophical positions for your own argument, yet dismiss equally valid opposing positions, which is exactly what those of Blind Faith do.

I am sure next time you use Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett to support your atheist position you will remember that you are in fact supporting your position on what you term Mumbo Jumbo.....
 
bhavv said:
LOL arent you just the king of made up BS on these forums, constantly thinking that your silly little opinions of other people must be true in anyway.
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Castiel said:
We are referring to your opinion of the acceptance of a universal concept of God as well you know, now you are simply trying to divert.
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FFS people give it a break. Go and argue somewhere else. Have a duel and I'll gladly be a second if you heed one. Ah yes UFOs, they were here but have now left.
 
simulatorman said:
FFS people give it a break. Go and argue somewhere else. Have a duel and I'll gladly be a second if you heed one. Ah yes UFOs, they were here but have now left.
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I acquiesce to your request.....(however bhavv will also have to agree, as I will not sit idly while he belittles my opinions)








Wimbledon Common at dawn? ;)
 
Castiel said:
I acquiesce to your request.....(however bhavv will also have to agree, as I will not sit idly while he belittles my opinions)


Wimbledon Common at dawn? ;)
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Sounds good to me. Make that 06:00 and I'll bring a pair of 48 bore pistols:

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The top one is the good one. ;):D
 
Real or (obvious) Hoax.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-earth--elaborate-hoax.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



A bizarre video claiming to show alien remains in a Russian UFO hotspot has become a massive worldwide hit with hundreds of thousands of followers.

The movie - made by two walkers in Irkutsk in Russia's remote Siberia - shows what appears to be the badly damaged corpse of a two foot high ET half buried in the snow.

Part of the right leg is missing and there are deep holes for eyes and a mouth in a skull-like head.

UFO fans believe the body could have been left behind by ET visitors after an accident, or missed by Russian military alien experts clearing up after a crash, according to reports.

The area is a known UFO hotspot with dozens of sightings reported every year.

It follows reports of a UFO hurtling towards earth in the nearby Irkutsk region of Siberia one month ago.

'We couldn't believe it when we saw it. And what was spooky is that there was no sign of the spaceship. Perhaps that was taken away and the body overlooked,' said Igor Molovic, one of the pair that uploaded the video.

The clip has now been seen by nearly 700,000 people within a few days.

Cynics claim the video is a fake using a carefully staged model for the ET's body.

But one fan wrote': 'It's so lame how people always get thrilled by having another excuse to shout "Fake! fake!" every time something weird shows up. Unless proven otherwise, this is in fact plausible.'

'If this is fake - then they are masters at models/puppets. I think it's real - one of the very few, great vid.,' said another.
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Now where are Mulder and Scully when you need them....
 
Unfortunately for you backward, violent barbaric individuals, I am a non violent person, so I turn down your invitation to a duel :D

However either one of you can feel free to be cowards and shoot me while I simply stand in front of you provoking you in no way whatsoever to carry out such an act. I have no fear of any such threats.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html

An uncovered letter written by John F Kennedy to the head of the CIA shows that the president demanded to be shown highly confidential documents about UFOs 10 days before his assassination.......

....The president’s interest in UFOs shortly before his death is likely to fuel conspiracy theories about his assassination, according to AOL News.

Alien researchers say the latest documents, released to Mr Lester by the CIA, add weight to the suggestion that the president could have been shot to stop him discovering the truth about UFOs
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It seems that the Daily Mail is having a UFO/Alien/Conspiracy day today.

Was JFK killed because of his interest in Aliens, was he about to uncover the biggest secret in Human History?

Or is the Daily Mail just making stuff up again?


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...etails-of-welsh-ufo-sightings-91466-28535018/

However, in other news, it seems that the Alien Horde are preparing for an all out invasion of Wales. It seems like their species is in danger of extinction unless they can secure a significant number of Sheep.....

Personally I would have tried New Zealand first......

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/4886021/UFO-sightings-in-Waikato-skies

Edit: seems that the Alien Horde may be about to open a two front assault.
 
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I think there is some sort of ET life out there. The Universe is forever expanding, there must be more planets out there similar to ours, just takes time to discover.
 
w3bbo said:
For the OP.

The Phoenix lights: These were proven to be flares ejected from military aircraft during a routine training exercise - this is fact and undisputed.

Rendleshem Forest: More to this than meets the eye imo. On the one hand you have reports about US Airmen actually touching the UFO and others who state it was just the nearby lighthouse casting light/shadows in the forest.

Foo Fighters - Nope. Static electricty.

The older paintings depicting objects in the sky - I'm not convinced at all. They could be any manner of 'objects' and are perhaps the defining description of what a UFO is - unidentified! Meteor, comet, swamp gas - impossible to tell.

Do I believe in UFO's? Yes. However there is so much disinformation, fakes, and diluded, pschologically disturbed people around that make investigating such phenomena near impossible. Much the same as religeon.;)
The thing is were are still in the infancy of scientific discovery so for us to comprehend or even attempt to understand faster than light/inter dimensional travel is like expecting a worm to understand the theory of relativity.
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There has been many attempts to debunk both the phoenix lights and the rendlesham forest incident sighting and all of them were unsuccessful.
Scientist tried to put the phoenix lights down to flares but after testing all video footage they could not confirm that they were flares and in fact the evidence suggested they were not flares.Many hundreds of people saw the lights and a bunch of them captured video footage and pictures.The video footage shows the light hovering in the same position for >5 mins.
Flares cannot hover!
As for the Rendlesham forest incident the personnel that seen the craft were adamant that the lights they saw was not from the lighthouse, if it was indeed the light house how can the radiation anomalies and indent in the ground be explained?Also the fact that they all saw inscriptions of the craft as they were very close and the fact that one of them touched the object points to it being anything but the lighthouse.
 
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If you don't believe there is a genuine mystery then you simply have not examined the evidence.

As for UFO's being ET.....that is only a theory, there is no proof.
 
Muzza1875 said:
There has been many attempts to debunk both the phoenix lights and the rendlesham forest incident sighting and all of them were unsuccessful.
Scientist tried to put the phoenix lights down to flares but after testing all video footage they could not confirm that they were flares and in fact the evidence suggested they were not flares.Many hundreds of people saw the lights and a bunch of them captured video footage and pictures.The video footage shows the light hovering in the same position for >5 mins.
Flares cannot hover!
As for the Rendlesham forest incident the personnel that seen the craft were adamant that the lights they saw was not from the lighthouse, if it was indeed the light house how can the radiation anomalies and indent in the ground be explained?Also the fact that they all saw inscriptions of the craft as they were very close and the fact that one of them touched the object points to it being anything but the lighthouse.
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The flares do not hover, they drop very slowly from great height behind a mountain range and appear (because the video is at night) to fgo out one by one when in fact they are simply falling to earth behind the mountains which the video does not pick up in the blackness.

Like you I vehemently defended all talk of these lights being anything other than UFO's but the videos I've seen soon quenched my thirst to 'believe'.

I'm not disputing the Rendlesham incident however, I am undecided on that one tbh. Most of the evidence I have seen though leads me to being skeptical:

Independent reports suggest the radiation readings were within normal levels.

If the radiation was high enough to paint itself on the surrounding forna, detectable for days afterwards, then why did none of the airmen who allegedly touched' the craft not get any form sickness?

The photos that were taken came back from the 'lab' as blank photos. Didn't these guys ever hear of Roswell? I mean if you take a picture of a UFO you don't hand the negatives over to the authorities!

The indent in the earth could be any manner of things as it was not discovered until a number of days after the incident occured.

The only plausible 'evidence' is that Lt. Col. Charles Holt (high ranking = responsible?) stands by his report even after some 25years have passed.
 
Muzza1875 said:
As for the Rendlesham forest incident the personnel that seen the craft were adamant that the lights they saw was not from the lighthouse, if it was indeed the light house how can the radiation anomalies and indent in the ground be explained?Also the fact that they all saw inscriptions of the craft as they were very close and the fact that one of them touched the object points to it being anything but the lighthouse.
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it's funny how one interview they say it took off straight away and in another interview they examined it more 45minutes, it's funny how the radio recordings have the people seeing the lights every 5 seconds, exactly the timing of the light house, it's funny how the notches in the trees at the "landing" site our just axe marks. It's complete bs and just people seeing something odd and their brains rationalise it in anyway they can, this is a well known phanominum
 
Unidentified Flying Objects? Of course they are real

If you are talking about Alien Space Craft? that's a different matter.
 
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