Will This Country Never Stand & Say NO MORE!!!

Telescopi said:
What do you doubt? Or for that matter what do your believe?

Do your believe millions of people want to live in the UK?
Do you believe everyone jumps off the boat and gets £250 a week?
Do you believe being born here gives you any more right to £250 a week as soon they kick you out of school?
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1. Yes, of course millions of people want to live in the UK. If it was possible and we let them, at least a million people would migrate here

2. No that isn't true, but that isn't the argument, the argument is the possibility of increased benefits actually drawing more immigrants.

3. Yes. No question.
 
What is most though? 51% is most out of 100..... 50.1% is also most... if they are saying those numbers equate to most in their survery of 2 Polish people and a Kurd, then id say that their positive is not that great at all.

My experience of Polish/Eastern European people in the UK and ive come across a few, are that they are rude, unreliable, dirty, violent an arrogant. Im not generalising them all as I know that not all will be like this and infact the waiters when ive been to various hotels in Europe are generally of this ilk and they are OK, but the ones ive met/know of are exactly that and its a disgrace that we pay for them to only then go and steal from us anyway.
 
Morba said:
I agree fully. If the lazy Brits actually took the jobs that are available then there would be no need for the immigrants to come here.
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It isn't just this - immigrants are more productive per hour of work and on average have higher education attainments. They are a more attractive employment prospect.

Did you know that Tesco go to Slovakia to recruit people for their store management training scheme (before you say "yeah to save money!", they get paid exactly the same as British-born counterparts). They just cannot find the suitable candidates to fill the posts, for some reason...
 
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mlbtheshow said:
Bring back the Soviet Union I say, force them all to stay where they belong.

Its not just the 250 per week that they get in bennys' its the added cost to the NHS, the impact on our Education system in that we now have non English speaking children over running classrooms.... theres more cost associated to letting more in, than there is in maintaining our existing populace.

Problem is, we are 'PC' England and if you dont embrace all people all the time, then you are branded racist.

I say if you are not born in England, then to come and live here you have to do 3 years service in the army on the front line. Then if you make it, you can come here... if not, you get a nice funeral.
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Care to back your statements with facts? Like the actual impact on the education system, sources that undeniably state that our classrooms are being overrun, and the figures for letting them in against maintaining existing populace.

While it's true that we might be a little *too* cautious when it comes to offending people of other nations/cultures, it's not true that by rejecting certain principles you are always branded a racist.

I'm not even going to bother with your last comment as it is beyond ridiculous.
 
Meant to add to the last post that, if any of them want to be part of English society then force them to do 3 years service in the Army... 1 year solid training, 2 years frontline and if they prove themselves and complete this then they are fully welcome in. Otherwise they are not.

This way you weed out the useless.
 
LordSplodge said:
The problem here isn't immigrants but the lazy feckless British people.
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This is true. I think its sad that our country has gone that so far down the pan - due to a conflicting dose of soft socialism and capitalist consumerism - that large amounts of us don't bother to get out of bed to work. So we drag in people from overseas to do the jobs that we don't want to do, this might plug a hole in our nation's wellbeing temporarily, but it won't stop the problem caused by a benifit culture - when the laziness of the British be fixed? Surely there must be a way to persuade them into work rather than just doing the easy thing hauling in migrants left right and centre. The people who are losing out most are the working class, their problem is festering and we cannot keep our finger in the dyke forever so to say...
 
mlbtheshow said:
What is most though? 51% is most out of 100..... 50.1% is also most... if they are saying those numbers equate to most in their survery of 2 Polish people and a Kurd, then id say that their positive is not that great at all.

My experience of Polish/Eastern European people in the UK and ive come across a few, are that they are rude, unreliable, dirty, violent an arrogant. Im not generalising them all as I know that not all will be like this and infact the waiters when ive been to various hotels in Europe are generally of this ilk and they are OK, but the ones ive met/know of are exactly that and
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So you happen to have associated/come across more scumbags than what represents the average (not sure why). It doesn't matter what the nationality, the nation will always have its scumbags.


its a disgrace that we pay for them to only then go and steal from us anyway.
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http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=280
Our analysis suggests that the contribution of immigrants to public finances is growing, and is likely to continue to grow in the near future. In 1999–2000, immigrants accounted for 8.8 per cent of government tax receipts (and 8.4 per cent of government spending).

By 2003–04, immigrants accounted for 10.0 per cent of government tax receipts (and 9.1 per cent of government spending). Total revenue from immigrants grew in real terms from £33.8 billion in 1999-00 to £41.2 billion in 2003–04. This 22 per cent increase compares favourably to the six per cent increase for the UK-born.

Our analysis also suggests that the relative net fiscal contribution of immigrants is stronger than that of the UK-born, and has been getting even stronger in recent years. In each of the years we have examined, immigrants have become proportionately greater net contributors to the public finances than non-immigrants.

In 1999–00, when there was a budget surplus, immigrants’ NAFI was 1.06 compared to 1.01 for the UK-born. By 2003–04, when the budge was in deficit, immigrants’ NAFI stood at 0.99 compared to 0.88 for the UK-born.
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Hatter The Mad said:
It isn't just this - immigrants are more productive per hour of work and on average have higher education attainments. They are a more attractive employment prospect.

Did you know that Tesco go to countries like the Ukraine to recruit people for their store management training scheme (before you say "yeah to save money!", they get paid exactly the same as British-born counterparts). They just cannot find the suitable candidates to fill the posts, for some reason...
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Wow, no I didn't realise that. Can't blame them if the candidate level needed isn't here.

GordyR / other tescos management people on this forum: how many foreign other managers do you know in tescos?
 
mlbtheshow said:
Meant to add to the last post that, if any of them want to be part of English society then force them to do 3 years service in the Army... 1 year solid training, 2 years frontline and if they prove themselves and complete this then they are fully welcome in. Otherwise they are not.

This way you weed out the useless.
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And isolate yourself from all your family and friends and potential partners if they wanted to come here.

Meet the love of your life, and then lose her once you tell her she has to serve in the army for three years.
 
I think it's interesting to note, and something that people forget in their ridiculous ranting, is that the majority of us are combinations of several different immigrant groups going back thousands of years. And while that doesn't remove the importance of correct immigration controls, it kind of renders the "I'M BRITISH AND ALL THESE FOREIGNERS..." thing a little moot.
 
Just wait till Turkey join the EU we'll have hundreds of thousands more Muslims here then.

The government want to get our own dossers off the dole? I have to lol because with these people coming, nobody will go to work.

Surely this is for other countries too not just UK? If so then I'll go and live in Germany or Holland if thats the case.
 
Gackt said:
it kind of renders the "I'M BRITISH AND ALL THESE FOREIGNERS..." thing a little moot.
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Last thing I checked British wasn't a race. The south of England might be a bit mixed up nowadays but distinct ethnic groups do exist on these islands and no one seriously wants to see them destroyed do they? Thats genocide.
 
The people saying the British are lazy are just as bad as the people saying immigrants just come over here to get on the dole.
 
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