Will This Country Never Stand & Say NO MORE!!!

Hatter The Mad · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:13

arknor said:
why should i provide proof? people are coming in here claiming they "think" immigrants contribute more than they use yet they cant proof it..

im not the one making up random crap with no proof what so ever

Like I said before, why not read the thread? Some has already been posted.

Edit: I see you're probably not going to read back, so here you go - have some spoon feeding: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18982742&postcount=50 http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=280 http://www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/LPC.pdf http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/governmentresponse.pdf

arknor · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:16

Hatter The Mad said:
Like I said before, why not read the thread? Some has already been posted.

tax receipts arent proof they are a benefit to out country... someone on the dole can pay taxes ... doesnt mean they arent a leech on the country

Dave M · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:17

Gackt said:
Meh, I'd struggle to find anyone who could properly describe a national identity that they associate themselves to other than "white" "british" "england" "queen" "fish and chips" "eastenders".

That's quite sad.

Traditionally British qualities include an innate sense of fair play, supporting the under-dog, tolerance, self-deprecating humour and emotional reserve.

Eastenders indeed.

Hatter The Mad · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:17

arknor said:
tax receipts arent proof they are a benefit to out country... someone on the dole can pay taxes ... doesnt mean they arent a leech on the country

Hatter The Mad said:
Edit: I see you're probably not going to read back, so here you go - have some spoon feeding: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18982742&postcount=50 http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=280 http://www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/LPC.pdf http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/governmentresponse.pdf

regulus · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:18

arknor said:
why should i provide proof? people are coming in here claiming they "think" immigrants contribute more than they use yet they cant proof it..

im not the one making up random crap with no proof what so ever

Read the thread. They contribute NET (understand that?) to this country.

Yes, you did post random crap. Please provide a non-sensationalistic, non idiotic, measured source for your statements. Don't ask others to provide prove if you haven't offered any yourself.

cm1179 · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:23

Morba said:
I'm guessing you've never flown over the UK.

i'm guessing you've never heard of flood plains, water levels, arable land, or green belt?

[TW]Sponge · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:24

Tefal said:
wouldn't that increase wastage though?

would you rather a bloke in need of money doing the job or someone being forced to do it?

the second is probably going to end up with a lot of carelessly damaged produce.

I see your point there Tefal. I guess it's just swings and roundabouts all the time.

I certainly wouldn't like to be running this country where every decision being made is apparently always the wrong one.

[TW]Fox · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:24

arknor said:
tax receipts arent proof they are a benefit to out country... someone on the dole can pay taxes ... doesnt mean they arent a leech on the country

Is there anything about this country you like? You are anti everything - every time I ever see a post by you on here its whinging against something.

FWIW I suspect most immigrants have a better grasp of the English language than you anyway, most of your anti Government we love Gaddafi tin-foil hat anti immigration posts are written as if you are not English anyway!

dowie · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:28

mushroomsoup said:
So basically, immigrant workers are wage slaves who pay for the benefits of our lazy British born underclass? Great to know this is how we treat our guests.

This tbh...

Most eastern european migrants come here to work and relatively few claim benefits.

Its large portions of our own home grown working class/white trash that are the major problem. Many are unwilling to re-locate and have been brought up to believe that the state owes them a living.

arknor · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:33

regulus said:
Read the thread. They contribute NET (understand that?) to this country.

Yes, you did post random crap. Please provide a non-sensationalistic, non idiotic, measured source for your statements. Don't ask others to provide prove if you haven't offered any yourself.

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk

okay theres a small net ...doesnt later the fact many councils are struggling because the budgets they get dont count immigrants so services are streteched to breaking point.

people claming child benefit for kids not even living in this country...
what happens when they start popping out kids with the financial profit beeing so tiny
we barely have enough housing for people born here.
NHS is beeing restructured
classroom sizes bigger than ever before.
not enough jobs for the people already in the country.
immigration wont solve the pension problem.
if it was so wonderful why dont other big cuntries not in the EU allow this type of migration?

on the whole i dont believe there is any real benefit especially when the net is so tiny.

Duke · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:35

loldailyexpress

mushroomsoup · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:38

Gackt said:
Meh, I'd struggle to find anyone who could properly describe a national identity that they associate themselves to other than "white" "british" "england" "queen" "fish and chips" "eastenders".

As for the many ethnic groups, how is the addition of another destroying it? In fact, those groups already exist and are being added to. And also, if an ethnic group, in terms of culture, were to dissolve/be destroyed, then it's obviously not strong enough to survive and like many cultures throughout history, will disappear from this location.

Killing all the people part of an ethnic group, coule be considered genocide, yes. But that's totally unrelated to this thread.

I know plenty of people who have no problem describing themselves as a distinct ethnic identity - Scottish, Polish, Pakistani etc. I think you need to get out more if you hand around with "fish and chips" or "queen", but as I said - South of England. Strange place.

Also, applying Darwinian rules to ethnicity is very dangerous. Holocaust anyone? Or any other genocide for that matter... But, I'm sure that's not what you meant, so I'll say it in another way. Every ethnicity has the right to self determination. I for one still think there is much is Western or even indeed British culture that is worth preserving. I would wager that due to declining birth rates amongst the current majority of this island - future growth is going to be made up of people not native to this island - this is obvious. However a possible problem with this is, will our new growth be sympathetic to our current values and way of life? Whilst Eastern Europeans are not a problem in this respect - other groups certainly are. Especially when they reach a critical mass in terms of population size and start demanding political and social changes; for their benefit only. This is going off topic.. I'll reiterate, there is a distinct culture to this nation and its only natural that when other distinct cultures enter it, it comes down to a numbers game where one will eventually dominate at the cultural and social expense of others - or they will both be forced together and loose their cultural distinctiveness all together and have only a meaningless consumer capitalist identity to hold them together... Fascist rant over

Anyway, you are right. I am well off topic and I should spend my day off doing better things... What I really want to say on this topic is - Why are native British potential workers so lazy? I personally blame socialist benefit culture and a feeling of ill disciplined laxity brought on also by modern mass consumer culture. I would like it if these potentially useful class of people would be whipped into shape (literally perhaps - it worked in Wellington's army) and made to work in the jobs that immigrants take, because ultimately taking on immigrants doesn't help those needlessly out of work, it is just a temporary solution to a labour shortage whilst our underclass festers.

AR81 · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:41

dowie said:
Its large portions of our own home grown working class/white trash that are the major problem.QUOTE]

Race Traitor!

Because of statements like these we white people have no community.

There are loads of people of different Race seeking benefit not just our own.

dowie you're a scumbag.

BunnyKillBot · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:44

Havent read any of this thread, barely skimmed the headline of the 'credible news story', but my initial response is:

Immigrants? As in, skilled workers like doctors and nurses and accountants etc etc who want to come to this country to use their skills to build our economy?

My God, get them out get them out!

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:47

sponge999 said:
I see your point there Tefal. I guess it's just swings and roundabouts all the time.

I certainly wouldn't like to be running this country where every decision being made is apparently always the wrong one.

oh there certainly are tasks where that kind of labour is useful (less so nowadays with the invention of heavy earth movers though) but you also have to balance it with the people you'll be putting out of work.

eg forcing people on job seekers to dig a drainage ditch could put the guys that normally do it for twice the cost (cause they have a minimum wage etc) out opf work, what then stick them o nthe labour crew?

it's very hard to balance it, then again could go as far as America and basically quietly reinvent slavery in prisons.

mmj_uk · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:49

Morba said:
Nobody is saying Britain is lazy, just the workshy that refuse to take the menial jobs that the immigrants are taking.

It's not really as simple as that though, the menial jobs simply don't pay enough for the average Brit to live on due to a high cost of living over here, our 'work shy' are better off on benefits and that's the problem our government continually ignores in favour of mass immigration.

UK minimum wage = ~£950 a month
Polish minimum wage = 1386 zlotys (~£309 a month)

If 'lazy Brits' could do menial jobs in Poland for three times the national minimum wage here in the UK (ie. £2750 a month) and then bring it all back home a couple of years later with enough money to live very comfortably, our underclasses would be as hard working as they are.

AR81 · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:52

mmj_uk said:
It's not really as simple as that though, the menial jobs simply don't pay enough for the average Brit to live on due to a high cost of living over here, our 'work shy' are better off on benefits and that's the problem our government continually ignores in favour of mass immigration.

UK minimum wage = ~£950 a month
Polish minimum wage = 1386 zlotys (~£309 a month)

If 'lazy Brits' could do menial jobs in Poland for three times the national minimum wage here in the UK (ie. £2750 a month) and then bring it all back home a couple of years later with enough money to live very comfortably, our underclasses would be as hard working as they are.

+1

mushroomsoup · 25 Apr 2011 at 15:54

mmj_uk said:
*snip*

If 'lazy Brits' could do menial jobs in Poland for three times the national minimum wage here in the UK (ie. £2750 a month) and then bring it all back home a couple of years later with enough money to live very comfortably, our underclasses would be as hard working as they are.

Haha, that is a grand scheme but it assumes that our lazy Brits are educated by past labour/conservative governments enough to be able point to Poland on a map, let alone learn a degree of Polish

dowie · 25 Apr 2011 at 16:05

AR81 said:
dowie said:

Its large portions of our own home grown working class/white trash that are the major problem.

Click to expand...

Race Traitor!

Because of statements like these we white people have no community.

There are loads of people of different Race seeking benefit not just our own.

dowie you're a scumbag.

Presumably you believe immigrants are 'stealing' your jobs?

Race traitor? LOL

Tbh if you feel threatened by imigration then its just a personal failing on your part - perhaps you should have worked harder at school.
I'd say that the majority of people worried about immigrants are generally white trash - just do a google image search for BNP or EDL.

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 16:08

AR81 said:
Race Traitor!

Because of statements like these we white people have no community.

There are loads of people of different Race seeking benefit not just our own.

dowie you're a scumbag.

wow...