Why does the english working man vote tory ???

daz · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:39

Vinni3 @H|H said:
I found this rather interesting, gave me a different viewpoint on Thatcher.

History of Modern Britain is a superb documentary series - definitely worth watching the whole thing.

sigma · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:40

[TW]Fox;18983965 said:
Why?

I wouldn't bother questioning scorza, I just tend to ignore him now.

MagicBoy · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:40

PMKeates said:
Threads like these truly pain my soul.

+1

For once we agree!

PMKeates · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:41

[TW]Fox;18983965 said:
Surely the 'poor' earning an average of for the sake of argument £20k and the rich earning an average of £100k is better than the 'poor' earning 15k and the rich earning £50k?

I did think that at first, but refrained from posting before I consider all the various economic and price effects of such a disparity. My gut tells me that the theory isn't that simple, unfortunately.

Darryn · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:41

Tefal said:
usually labour **** everything up slowly but give people a lto fo tree stuff.

the Tories then have to come in and be the mean parent taking away all the new toys and lowering the child's pocket money as moneys tight.

then once things are reasonably fixed and starting to improve labour hop in with "look at all the free sweets we've got for you kids" everyone runs back to them and then slowly it all goes **** up again till the Tories get brought in to fix it.

Im from up North, im an English working man and i vote Tory, and this is my general understanding of how the politics of this country seem to work.

[TW]Sponge · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:42

Tefal said:
why?

It's clearly not the high end of the debate spectrum.

I just think it would be better off in there that's all.

[TW]Fox · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:43

sigma said:
I wouldn't bother questioning scorza, I just tend to ignore him now.

He's just so bitter isnt he? He just seems to despise the rich and succesful. Maybe he should channel all his effort into making more of himself rather than berating those who are quite simply better than him?

And I say that as somebody in probably a position no better than him. I don't despise or berate those who are better than me - I aspire to be like them.

mushroomsoup · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:44

DF1986 said:
so why does the english working man vote for these fools ?

Not every working Englishman is as stupid or as gullible as he is made out to be by the successive Labour governments whom he voted for.

PMKeates · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:45

MagicBoy said:
+1

For once we agree!

I suppose the probability was you'd be right one of these days

Pudney · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:46

[TW]Fox;18983995 said:
He's just so bitter isnt he? He just seems to despise the rich and succesful. Maybe he should channel all his effort into making more of himself rather than berating those who are quite simply better than him?

And I say that as somebody in probably a position no better than him. I don't despise or berate those who are better than me - I aspire to be like them.

Why aspire when you can support a political ideal that wants to force everyone to the same lower level?

Floogie · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:47

To be a working man and cast a vote for the Tories or Labour in its last incarnation pretty much makes you a mug. A kick in the balls or a poke in the eye, sir? Same thing...

[TW]Fox · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:47

Oxy said:
when Labour get back in next vote they can spend our way out of debt like it should have been done in the first place.

lol?

krooton · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:47

Oxy said:
I have never voted tory and never will.

Even if, in the future, a Tory party comes in to play that has the ideas and proposals needed to ensure a better country?

That seems incredibly short-sighted and clichéd.

sigma · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:48

I have to leave this thread, the retard levels are too high.

[TW]Fox · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:49

sigma said:
I have to leave this thread, the retard levels are too high.

'The best argument against democracy is a 10 minute conversation with the average voter'

PMKeates · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:52

Technocracy tbh

MagicBoy · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:52

[TW]Fox;18984042 said:
'The best argument against democracy is a 10 minute conversation with the average voter'

Well said.

Surprised no-one resorted to "Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher!" yet.

mmj_uk · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:55

DF1986 said:
Now im not english so i cant comment on this question but it really really confuses me why the ordinary working person of england votes tory.
The torys are for the rich, everytime they are in power more pepole are made unemployed and general life standards go down, even a child knows this, so why does the english working man vote for these fools ?

We get shafted regardless it's just comforting to most that they are able to choose who shafts them.

Labour would have done the exact same this term as the coalition, they are just telling us what we want to hear so we'll vote them next time.

Pinkribbonscars · 25 Apr 2011 at 18:05

Floogie said:
To be a working man and cast a vote for the Tories or Labour in its last incarnation pretty much makes you a mug. A kick in the balls or a poke in the eye, sir? Same thing...

What do you mean by a working man? Do you have to earn over a certain level before you stop being a 'working man' and become a toff or something, or is it defined some other way?

Destination · 25 Apr 2011 at 18:06

DF1986 said:
Now im not english so i cant comment on this question but it really really confuses me why the ordinary working person of england votes tory.
The torys are for the rich, everytime they are in power more pepole are made unemployed and general life standards go down, even a child knows this, so why does the english working man vote for these fools ?

Well as a working taxpayer, I know that everytime labour are in I end up paying more in taxes for those who don't work.

Anyone on or above the average wage will longterm be better off under Tory, rather than labour.