The Koran - Whos Read It?

[101001101]

You seem to be tying yourself up in knots asking almost irrelevant questions in some places (with respect). I don't understand how you can profess your ignorance of various religious traditions, stress that you have no interest in learning more to correct this... and then spend all this time asking questions.

EDIT: Or is this more a case of 'It's all rubbish, even though I clearly don't know much about it. So I'll try to make religion look stupid by asking 'clever' questions even though it just stresses my ignorance of the topic'?

Because I like to learn from the present and not the past.

 

[101001101]

Because God is clever and the divine courts don't work like the courts on earth.

Prove it.

 

[robgmun]

Which is why I'm not a Muslim.

Seeing that the Muslim God = Christan God = Jewish God. Looks like you're running out of options!

Prove it.

Happy to on Judgement day

 

[Castiel]

Because I like to learn from the present and not the past.

You won't learn very much then I'm afraid.

 

[Rainmaker]

Because I like to learn from the present and not the past.

Your ignorance on the topic really is saddening. Either that or you're trolling. What's different between asking on here and asking a priest/imam/lama/guru?

 

[Rainmaker]

Seeing that the Muslim God = Christan God = Jewish God. Looks like you're running out of options!

Good job the Abrahamic religions are in the minority then!

 

[101001101]

Your ignorance on the topic really is saddening. Either that or you're trolling. What's different between asking on here and asking a priest/imam/lama/guru?

Your throwing personal opinon into the discussion when all I am looking for is clean and clear facts.

Why am I ignorant when I am assuming I am asking questions leading to enlightenment from a follower of god? You were happy to represent this earlier.

Perhaps you need to re-address your beliefs.

 

[101001101]

You won't learn very much then I'm afraid.

I know this but I am happy to be PROVEN wrong.

 

[Rainmaker]

Your throwing personal opinon into the discussion when all I am looking for is clean and clear facts.

Why am I ignorant when I am assuming I am asking questions leading to enlightenment from a follower of god? You were happy to represent this earlier.

Perhaps you need to re-address your beliefs.

Que?

I'm not a 'follower of God', nor do I adhere to any of the Abrahamic religions.

The reference to your 'ignorance' was not an insult but rather a statement made regarding your opening posts in which you demonstrated clearly that you didn't know anything of non-Abrahamic belief systems. You followed this up by saying you didn't care to learn about them, either.

Not sure what you mean by a was 'happy to represent this earlier' so I can't comment on that.

It was you who said you had no desire to learn further, so I'm not sure why you're becoming so defensive of the fact now?

lol

Nope - not interested,. thank you all the same.

 

[Rainmaker]

I know this but I am happy to be PROVEN wrong.

About what? You've asked a lot of questions but you've barely made any assertions. How do you expect to learn if you will only learn in the 'present'? That's a very illogical statement.

 

[101001101]

Bruce Campbell - Army Of Darkness

 

[Rainmaker]

Bruce Campbell - Army Of Darkness

Did you post in the wrong thread, or am I missing something?

 

[Castiel]

Bruce Campbell - Army Of Darkness

Clearly you have a few too many sherbets this evening.

 

[bandit]

slightly back on topic.
it would be good if people did read the different texts, if not for enlightenment to at least learn for themselves what the different religions are trying to teach, so they can at least make up their own minds when told various things in the media or by people about what something says.

for a muslim, their religion is an incredibly important part of who they are, it permeates their existence and influences their decisions on a daily basis.

the reason i am up now, when i should have gone to sleep 2 hours ago is because i have been on youtube listening to the quran, and honestly getting quite emotional about it as well

just for the delectation of GD, have a listen/read of this:

 

[Hades]

In both those cases the results are real tranformation and there would be forgiveness. The outcome of there actions were positive.

Ok, good to hear.

But what if the child abuser offends again?

What if the drug addict kills someone while robbing them to get another fix?

By helping them I have no way of knowing if my actions will help or hinder society. So based on that my best chance of making it to heaven/redemption/whatever are to help no-one and get on with my own life forsaking all others?

 

[Rainmaker]

slightly back on topic.
it would be good if people did read the different texts, if not for enlightenment to at least learn for themselves what the different religions are trying to teach, so they can at least make up their own minds when told various things in the media or by people about what something says.

Absolutely 100% agree. Couldn't agree more in fact. What religious texts have you read, aside from the Qur'an?

for a muslim, their religion is an incredibly important part of who they are, it permeates their existence and influences their decisions on a daily basis.

the reason i am up now, when i should have gone to sleep 2 hours ago is because i have been on youtube listening to the quran, and honestly getting quite emotional about it as well

just for the delectation of GD, have a listen/read of this:

Cool.

 

[bandit]

Ok, good to hear.

But what if the child abuser offends again?

What if the drug addict kills someone while robbing them to get another fix?

By helping them I have no way of knowing if my actions will help or hinder society. So based on that my best chance of making it to heaven/redemption/whatever are to help no-one and get on with my own life forsaking all others?

your actions are your own and you can only do the best you can. in islam the intention of your actions is very important. you can do something wrong, but if you didnt know its not a sin. once you know you know, and it becomes one. taking that principle, you make the best decision you can based on the evidence you have, and try and help people change, but there is a limit to this, you can live and let live and turn the other cheek everytime, that way lies anarchy,and i know some people that would prefer it that way

 

[Castiel]

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

Albert Einstein.

It wasn't Math or Physics that made Einstein so smart, but his ability to see the truth of that statement.

 

[Rainmaker]

your actions are your own and you can only do the best you can. in islam the intention of your actions is very important. you can do something wrong, but if you didnt know its not a sin. once you know you know, and it becomes one. taking that principle, you make the best decision you can based on the evidence you have, and try and help people change, but there is a limit to this, you can live and let live and turn the other cheek everytime, that way lies anarchy,and i know some people that would prefer it that way

If it only becomes a sin once you find out it's a sin, surely then it's better to just not read the Qur'an (presuming that's the true religion) and thus remain ignorant and therefore sin free?

 

[Hades]

your actions are your own and you can only do the best you can. in islam the intention of your actions is very important. you can do something wrong, but if you didnt know its not a sin. once you know you know, and it becomes one. taking that principle, you make the best decision you can based on the evidence you have, and try and help people change, but there is a limit to this, you can live and let live and turn the other cheek everytime, that way lies anarchy,and i know some people that would prefer it that way

So how would the following be interpreted?

I find a drug addict in the street.
He begs for money for food.
I don't know what he really wants it for.
But it may be for food.
So I give him some money.
With the money he buys drugs, not food.
While high he stabs and kills someone.

I knew when I gave him some money that he may buy drugs and therefore damage society. But I also knew that if I didn't give him money then he might either starve to death or rob someone for money to buy food.

Which would I be condemned for? Giving money that damages society or not giving money which may then also damage society?