NATO air strike possibly kills Gaddafi's son

[Macro]

.... because we can 'legally' bomb and kill people in Libya yet the regime in Syria is using live ammo on it's people and nothing gets done - so why aren't we bombing Syria? Picking and choosing who we bomb is not right? No-body in the world had a mass vote and voted the UK to be part of the Worlds Police Force.

..BTW - i typed this slowly in-case you case you can't read very fast , cos whats happening is not right and is slowly bordering on being illegal

Think you need to look a little closer to home to be honest...

Of course a decision is made on a case by case basis where military action is authorised and where UK forces are engaged. It's the same for every other member of the United Nations, EU and NATO. The UK is not the only country with forces engaged or supporting in Libya (at last recollection it was USA, Canada, France, Canada, Norway, Italy, Denmark) so please don't try to paint some kind of ZOMG Cameron and Obama are bombing innocent Libyans for the oil rant.

Are you suggesting that as UK forces cannot realistically be deployed everywhere we should therefore intervene nowhere? Or that we should intervene in Syria without EU, UN or NATO authorisation? On the other hand if you are suggesting the UK adopts a policy of blanket isolationism and neutrality I can appreciate the argument although I think it's unrealistic and naive.

Having said that I respect you may just feel strongly that there are people in Syria who are dying that are deserving of our military support. So I'll ask you again. What is it exactly you've done to contribute to the situation in Syria?

Or is your plan to just sit at a keyboard wringing your hands criticising other peoples actions when you clearly haven't even taken the time to understand exactly what is happening beyond a headline or two?

 

[albert]

What is it exactly you've done to contribute to the situation in Syria?

Or is your plan to just sit at a keyboard wringing your hands criticising other peoples actions when you clearly haven't even taken the time to understand exactly what is happening beyond a headline or two?

Well seeing as this an Internet forum then i am bound to be sitting behind a keyboard.. Maybe you could enlighten me by telling me what YOU have done to contribute to the situation in Syria or Libya? Or enlighten us to why you seem in favour of the the UN Bombing of Libya , when we all know that the master-plan is to kill Gaddafi , which breaks every international rule in the book.

Council workers being laid off , public services being slashed , no wage rises for 4 years , tax credits stopped , factories being closed , record high fuel prices ... yet the UK can spend at £1/2million a time cruise missiles for a regime change in some little tin pot oil rich country .... oh hang on , oil rich country? ... ah , now i get it ...

 

[Nutella33]

Council workers being laid off , public services being slashed , no wage rise for 4 years , tax credits stopped , factories being closed , record high fuel prices ... yet the UK can spend at £1/2million a time cruise missiles for a regime change in some little tin pot oil rich country .... oh hang on , oil rich country? ... ah , now i get it ...

awesome idea apart from the budgets are completely separate. if libya never happened you wouldnt suddenly have more funding. well done on a basic misunderstanding of how funding and government works.

what is funny is then your other point being that we should be in syria. so your advocating two sides of the coin there. i thought you didnt want us to spend money? because syria would be costly nevermind the diplomatic costs.

on that vein, your comment does seem to completely ignore the diplomatic differences between operating in Libya and intervention in syria, if you want to quote "the book of international law"

Maybe you could enlighten me by telling me what YOU have done to contribute to the situation in Syria or Libya?

oh and im in the RAF, an engineer on the hercules squadron. so ive contributed to rescuing hundreds of people and allowing the operation to take place.

 

[albert]

oh and im in the RAF, an engineer on the hercules squadron. so ive contributed to rescuing hundreds of people and allowing the operation to take place.

..have i entered the Twilight Zone here ... Nutella33 why would you reply to my post when you have only just entered the conversation?

...congrats on being in the Hercules Squadron you must be very proud liberating little countries.

 

[Macro]

Maybe you could enlighten me by telling me what YOU have done to contribute to the situation in Syria or Libya?

It's not me wringing my hands and moaning, claiming to be ashamed to be English because we've not intervened militarily in Syria. Like I said if you feel so strongly what have you done to contribute to the situation?

 

[arknor]

i guess paying taxes and beeing a hardworking citizen nolonger allows you to have an opinion in this country.

atleast if athanor gets his way he will rule with an iron fist and crush everyone with his keyboard who dares speak out against his ideals

 

[Nutella33]

..have i entered the Twilight Zone here ... Nutella33 why would you reply to my post when you have only just entered the conversation?

...congrats on being in the Hercules Squadron you must be very proud liberating little countries.

what no reply to the rest of my post?

i added the info due to you undoubtedly having to fall back on that argument when you ignore the rest of the post like you just did.

...congrats on being in the Hercules Squadron you must be very proud liberating little countries

cheers im very proud of the work we do much better than sitting, unable to do a thing dont you think?

 

[Macro]

..have i entered the Twilight Zone here ... Nutella33 why would you reply to my post when you have only just entered the conversation?

...congrats on being in the Hercules Squadron you must be very proud liberating little countries.

Do try not to make yourself look even more foolish than you already do. Nutella said he had contributed to rescuing hundreds of people which I dare say is a damn sight more than you've done although please feel free to answer the original question about your contribution, I'd be happy to be proven incorrect.

 

[Macro]

i guess paying taxes and beeing a hardworking citizen nolonger allows you to have an opinion in this country.

atleast if athanor gets his way he will rule with an iron fist and crush everyone with his keyboard who dares speak out against his ideals

Not at all, should I not be allowed to challenge someones opinion? Or are only opinions that align with you and your cliques ideas allowed? Perhaps if being challenged to substantiate an argument beyond "ZOMG think of the children" makes you feel uncomfortable, posting in a open forum about an emotive subject may not have been the brightest idea?

 

[albert]

It's not me wringing my hands and moaning, claiming to be ashamed to be English because we've not intervened militarily in Syria. Like I said if you feel so strongly what have you done to contribute to the situation?

..But you are. Your 'wringing your hands and moaning' because your whining on about my posts.

... as to what i have done to contribute to the situation then i pay my taxes and i vote - that gives me every right to have an opinion.

 

[Nutella33]

but an opinion devoid of reality and thought should not be challenged because you pay taxes? well we pay taxes as well so can counter your opinion. now that puts us on a equal footing and we can carry on as normal with the debate.

 

[albert]

Do try not to make yourself look even more foolish than you already do. Nutella said he had contributed to rescuing hundreds of people which I dare say is a damn sight more than you've done although please feel free to answer the original question about your contribution, I'd be happy to be proven incorrect.

You shouldn't judge people because you don't know what I've done or who i am. Very patronising.

For all you know the "Hercules squadron" fella could work at Tesco.

 

[Pinkribbonscars]

Syria will kick our asses

And what do you base that assumption on?

 

[Nutella33]

aye i could, but i dont i went through halton, cosford and now lyneham and work at 33 eng. (thus the 33 in my name)

again, apart from solutions that make no sense and show a lack of understanding on both how government and international policy is worked as well as the current political and military situations in the debate in question. what are your opinions based on? because so far its not reality.

 

[Tefal]

... as to what i have done to contribute to the situation then i pay my taxes and i vote - that gives me every right to have an opinion.

that's not a contribution though iirc no party had "invade Syria" on it;s manifesto.

You should write to your mp informing him of your desire to conquer Syria.

 

[ubersonic]

And what do you base that assumption on?

The Syrian air force would annihilate the RAF in a direct confrontation, however as we would not be alone in any attack I doubt they would be able to kick everyone's ass, however military intervention will not happen in Syria as they are not the lone state Libya is, they have allies.

 

[Macro]

You shouldn't judge people because you don't know what I've done or who i am. Very patronising..

You are quite right, I could be wrong and you've done way more than work to directly help rescue hundreds of people, an act you feel Nutella is worthy of ridicule because of.

I apologise...

So just to clear this up, for the fourth time of asking. What is it you've done to contribute to the situation in Syria that you're complaining about before we ask our armed forces to risk their lives in Syria to intervene on your behalf?

I'm not saying you're not allowed to have that opinion, just that as you said it made you ashamed to be English I was assuming you'd set the standard and done something more than the rest of us. Or are you saying because the UN, NATO, EU and world in general has not given authority to intervene militarily in Syria we shouldn't intervene anywhere?

 

[KNiVES]

According to twitter feeds from Libyan rebels fighting on the ground, Gadaffi has been using napalm weapons in Misrata (much like the ones made famous by Vietnam) and his soldiers have all been given gas masks and told to wear them at all times. I cannot substantiate this at all mind you. They are afraid Gadaffi is going to use his stockpile of mustard gas and other chemical munitions.

It could get really ugly, really fast.

 

[arknor]

more rebel propaganda as always when gaddafi apears to gain the upperhand anyhow they always come out with BS

can you even fire napalm from a mortar? outside of call of duty blackops

gaddafi: nato has killed my family.
libyan citizens unite in anger
rebels: gaddafi is using napalm and might use mustard gas
nato suports the rebels even more than before and the western media lap it up

same as the cluster bomb rubbish did anything ever come of that? not to mention the gaddadi vigra fueled troops raping 8 year olds the daily mail was reporting... which no other newsosurce bothered to mention because of how far feteched and ridiculous it all was.

 

[KNiVES]

I do agree there's very much a propaganda war going on. There's doubts out there that Saif was even killed at all, and was a fabrication by Gadaffi designed to garner some sympathy, much like his fake daughter from '86.