Poll: F.P.T.P or A.V.. This Thursday

FPTP or AV

  • FPTP

    Votes: 319 37.1%
  • AV

    Votes: 359 41.8%
  • Pfft, Will Still End Up Run By Crooks

    Votes: 181 21.1%

  • Total voters
    859
Left wing vs Right wing. The truth behind the lies.

The three main parties in the 2010 general election were conservative, labour and lib dem with 36.1% 29.0% 23.0% votes respectively. Given lib dem and labour are (supposedly....) left wing, there is a high probability these voters will rank each other in turn. Ie, labour lib dem, lib dem labour

I strongly disagree with that, the Lib Dems social policies are very different to Labour, which are totalitarian in comparison, the Conservatives are much more similar and would be my second choice as a Lib Dem supporter, I would group Labour with the BNP at the bottom.
 
I strongly disagree with that, the Lib Dems social policies are very different to Labour, which are totalitarian in comparison, the Conservatives are much more similar and would be my second choice as a Lib Dem supporter, I would group Labour with the BNP at the bottom.

I woudn't go as far as saying the Tories are much more similar. Labour and the Tories are different in different ways. The Labour party are far too authoritarian, nanny knows best. The Tories lack a social conscience.
 
Ok, then the right wing are still liars and scarmongerers, and the left wing are still sneaky sneaks.

You say that like it's a bad thing. The truth is that you should not be obliged by the system to give any credit to a party that you would never want to see in power.

To be honest, though, I honestly have no idea which side of the fence you are on, or whether you even know any more.

I believe in a vote of Yes for change.

However, what we are being offered is not AV. What we are being offered is FPTP with 'if your party loses, you may change your vote' tacked on. The difference between 'may' and 'must' is crucial and means a candidate can still win without a majority, which means the switch doesn't fix anything.

But the fact remains, a Yes is a vote for change, a no will kill voter reform dead in the water.
 
Ended up voting yes in the end as I think that the benefits just about outweigh the downsides. I'd like to have my views recognised even if my first choice doesn't win.
 
Wrong a yes is a vote for av, a no is a vote for no av or possibly for ftpt. It is not a vote for change and no further change is on the table.
 
Not at all, I voted for The Scottish Conservatives.
I live in the East End of Glasgow, which means that my vote doesn't carry much weight - It's very Labour here - but I believe voting is important nonetheless.

Met my girlfriends parents for the first time the other week, and we got onto politics. They said "Well, as long as you're voting SNP in the coming weeks that's all that matters". I kept quiet. :p

5 hours in the rain, Ahleckz.

I had a skirt on; a pretty one just for you. I kept looking towards the horizon for you to appear on a magnificent steed with my cuppa, but I was sadly heartbroken by your absence instead. I hope the bint was worth it. :(

:p

I would have kept quiet too tbh!

(As for voting being important, by time I left turnout was looking like 40% which ain't bad. We should do as the australian's do tbh)

Keep forgetting that, I keep going to dreamland where I'm am the dictator with no red tape to slow my ideas down.

If only eh? hehe
 
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As long as one person votes for multiple parties, then the stats will show this and as such it is not truly one vote. As stats change parties and their policies. Always have always will. Av will give much more influence, as they can say for example although I want ukip policies my second preference is Tories. In each round that is one vote, not in the stats and not in real life, where that data will be used to look at the similarity and difference in policies. Just like the stats currently are used. But it gives some people much more voting power to influence.

Just noticed this now. "As long as...." can't be used to generalise the whole system.
 
I'm pretty sure there was nothing on the scale of gems like these:

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Lying &^%$s

That is quite frankly disgusting.

It's a shame such a negative campaign is going to win through default..
 
5 hours in the rain, Ahleckz.

I had a skirt on; a pretty one just for you. I kept looking towards the horizon for you to appear on a magnificent steed with my cuppa, but I was sadly heartbroken by your absence instead. I hope the bint was worth it. :(

:p

I would have kept quiet too tbh!

(As for voting being important, by time I left turnout was looking like 40% which ain't bad. We should do as the australian's do tbh)



If only eh? hehe

Why did you stand outside in the rain? I would have thought that the people going to cast their vote would already know who they were voting for and a leaflet at the very last minute isn't going to change that or would just take a mad stab in the dark once they got their ballot.
And, if it's raining you're going to have even more difficultly in getting people to stop and chat to you.

Well, I was on the Edinburgh train earlier on but I was dying for the toilet after taking advantage of free Nandos refills, so I had to get off at my stop. That's why I wasn't able to come to your rescue with a flask. :p
I'm sure you looked lovely though, we can have a Scotland meet one day and argue about politics in the warm safety of a pub. You can even bring you're skirt.
 
:confused: I don't get what you mean, are you saying no one at all will have more than one choice? Because if just one person has more than one choice then it happens.

Just that it doesn't change because people can have the option of ranking several candidates, but that doesn't mean everyone will.

It's practically unquantifiable also, and if you use that argument as a generalisation for all potential voters it fails because of that.
 
Poll should be closed now being that polling has finished.

Why? People can still come here to choose their preference. Not as if this is the actual referendum. Just a capture of what this forum thinks. Anyone can vote when they want.
 
Just that it doesn't change because people can have the option of ranking several candidates, but that doesn't mean everyone will.

It's practically unquantifiable also, and if you use that argument as a generalisation for all potential voters it fails because of that.

How does it fail, some people will have more statistical power than others. It doesn't matter that people vote different amounts, in fact they will vote different amounts and hence the unbalanced stats, it requires a different number of votes. I still don't see why you think it's an unfair generalisation? Can only assume you have taken it for something else or missed the meaning.
 
That is quite frankly disgusting.

It's a shame such a negative campaign is going to win through default..

I agree that is a poor advert.

How do you mean win by default? No vote will win because thats what voters want. Or do you mean the campaign will win because the no vote will win? If so I see what you mean.
 
I hope Jeremy Vine gets his swingometer out.
And, John Curtice better make an appearance on the news at some point. He's a lad.
 
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