What happen after death ?

Margaret · 6 May 2011 at 22:24

Reality|Bites said:
same as when you switch your PC off lol, nothing.

but the ethernet adaptor still flashes.

Gazanimal · 6 May 2011 at 22:27

What? No respawn?

FFS

Castiel · 6 May 2011 at 22:28

Reality|Bites said:
same as when you switch your PC off lol, nothing.

It still has potential energy....

Mobius 1 · 6 May 2011 at 22:29

its more a case of smashing the hard drive to **** i reckon.

Swordfish · 6 May 2011 at 22:30

arknor said:
this series deals with it http://www.channel4.com/programmes/cold-lazarus/4od

Mmmmm looks interesting - is it worth the 4 hours to watch?

Oh and when you die you get buried/cremated or left to rot depending on if you are found or not.

The idea of an afterlife where we all go is fine but think of the traffic when you get there!

razerbwfc · 6 May 2011 at 22:36

Remember what it was like before you were born ? No ? That's what it's like when you're dead...

Castiel · 6 May 2011 at 22:40

razerbwfc said:
Remember what it was like before you were born ? No ? That's what it's like when you're dead...

Interesting, however as you cannot remember before you were born, you have no idea whether your conciousness or soul or whatever makes you you was, whether it was another form of conciousness, or simply energy of another form or anything else for that matter. I can't remember my 1st birthday, but I'm pretty sure I had one....

Pleh · 6 May 2011 at 22:45

Its a question my 84 year old terminally ill great uncle has asked. What do you answer to that? I didnt know what to say. My dad simply said you are born to live and you live to die, sounds profound to me but to him im sure it isnt what he wants to hear at all. His mind is so alive he and his body is dying (he is very very very ill). It helps I know that he has had a full life with family that love him, doesnt mean it wouldnt scare the poo out of him. Im 25 it scares the poo out of me, but he is staring it in the face. I dont know how id react, he doesnt either, which makes it so painful to watch.

I go to see him regularly but dont know what to say to him anymore, I try to make him smile which is so hard these days. He is so depressed by his situation.

So when it comes to the OP. In your final moments, when your grip on life leaves you im sure the last thing on your mind is what happens next. It is all you have left behind, who you love, what you wish for them. Something you will never see.

I fear it so much.

Sorry to get so deep guys but I needed to vent.

razerbwfc · 6 May 2011 at 22:48

Castiel said:
Interesting, however as you cannot remember before you were born, you have no idea whether your conciousness or soul or whatever make you you was, whether it was another form of conciousness, or simply energy of another form or anything else for that matter. I can't remember my 1st birthday, but I'm pretty sure I had one....

Tut. Someone with intelligence just had to come along and spoil it

Still think when you're dead, that's it, your energy is ended. You no longer exist. This coming from someone who has lost a child, and as much as I would love to think he's out there somewhere, in whatever form, reincarnated or enjoying eternity in paradise, I just don't think that;s teh case I'm afraid.

Of course, we'll never really know, so interesting theories aside, it's all a bit pointless.

Castiel · 6 May 2011 at 22:51

razerbwfc said:
Tut. Someone with intelligence just had to come along and spoil it

Still think when you're dead, that's it, your energy is ended. You no longer exist. This coming from someone who has lost a child, and as much as I would love to think he's out there somewhere, in whatever form, reincarnated or enjoying eternity in paradise, I just don't think that;s teh case I'm afraid.

Of course, we'll never really know, so interesting theories aside, it's all a bit pointless.

Sorry to hear about your loss. I wouldn't know how to deal with that.

You are right, it is pointless, but we will know, all of us, one day.

razerbwfc · 6 May 2011 at 22:54

Castiel said:
Sorry to hear about your loss. I wouldn't know how to deal with that.

You are right, it is pointless, but we will know, all of us, one day.

Thanks. It's in the past, you learn to cope. Time is a great healer, as they say, and although it makes it easier the hurt never really goes away. You just get good at masking it.

But yeah, one day we'll all know (or not, if it really is the end)

Spook187 · 6 May 2011 at 23:11

I believe once you die thats it end of,darkness your dead and nothing exsits beyond this point you have gone,no angels,god or the devil comes for you.

rosso5792 · 6 May 2011 at 23:20

-Tauren- said:
the way i've always seen it is, or tried to get my head around.. basically, you fizzle out, your memory goes, done, dusted. there is nothing beyond it. i put death in the same category as stepping on an ant. you become nothing but a memory for your loved ones (obviously not in the ants case) and a mass in the ground.

it would be nice to think there is something after death. but meh.. i highly doubt it. and i dont think it'll ever be proved. i think i read somewhere that losing conciousness is pretty close to death?

pretty much sums up how i think about death

Mobius 1 · 6 May 2011 at 23:23

i've been strangled out of conciousness by some girl (i gave her the wrong look in the pub and she just went for me haha) had some really wierd visions and stuff which sort of swayed my beliefs....but i doubt it was anything. *shrug* came to, and was like.....woah.... no way. totally flabbergasted. went home in a taxi after that.

Amp34 · 6 May 2011 at 23:53

philtorrens said:
That's where faith comes into it man You have a soul. Believe it or not but you do. Learn to accept this before it's too late.

chaosdestro0 said:
Argument from fear.

Exactly. And that's actually one of my big issues with faith and religion. Afterlife (in whatever form) is a major part of religion and to me that just smacks of people being scared of nothing and as such creating "something" aka; Religion.

Castiel said:
Interesting then that Robert Shulman said: "You can think of consciousness not as a property of the brain, but of the person."

in his paper cited below, he says that conciousness needs massive amounts of brain energy, yet the amount of energy used to do tasks when reacting to stimuli is minute in comparison.

So when the body dies, what happens to all this energy that supports conciousness?

I have no idea, Dr Shulman has no idea, generations of philosophers have no idea, yet you are so absolutely sure that the energy doesn't change or transform into another state, it simply ceases, which seems to be against the laws of energy conservation, why?

http://www.physorg.com/news164337334.html

Sorry i'm not sure I get how your post is connected to the link. :confused:

Yes "brain energy" is a large proportion of the energy used by our brains, however the way you suggest it simply ceases is a bit odd. This energy is "created" (or more precisely tranformed from one type to another) by your body and then used by the brain, which then transforms it into another energy (perhaps heat). When you die your body stops transforming energy and the brain gets none of that energy that you suggests just ceases. It doesn't defy the laws of energy conservation, because that energy is not "created" in the first place. I'm not entirely sure where philosophy comes into this style of scientific debate either, especially that paper.

Your brain is like an engine, turn the car off (die) and the engine stops transforming the energy...

EDIT: Are there any studies of deaths within scanners so we can actually see how brain activity reacts to death itself. I'm sure I remember reading something about it taking minutes/hours for the brain to shut down more? That would be a far more pertinent study to look at and perhaps look at how the brain uses up the energy it has left after death.

Gazza123 · 7 May 2011 at 00:08

You rot... smell and they bury you to get rid of the smell.

Johnnytoxic · 7 May 2011 at 00:48

Were all made from star dust.

From carbon that is created from exploding stars.

Radiation · 7 May 2011 at 00:52

If we can appear once against the odds i suspect we may again somehow, perhaps as a kind of reincarnation, scientifically speaking universes could pop into existence and disappear again and again, eventually the right conditions may appear for another you to exist, consciously speaking, you may not even be anything like human.

Valentino · 7 May 2011 at 01:05

If you believe in infinite time, then it is wholly possible for when you die to regenerate (i.e. by pure luck all your particles form together in exactly the same state as you were just before you died) a "trillion billion" (replace with an unimaginably large number) years later. You'll be dead so you won't even notice those years fly by. So you will die and then boom, you're back a googol years later.

Obviously the chances are incredibly minimal, but then ask yourself the chances of you being here right now

HangTime · 7 May 2011 at 01:12

I have a strange philosophy whereby the universe ends when I die. It makes little sense, people people die all the time and the universe remains for everyone else. But I'm absolutely petrified of dying and I don't think I could ever sacrifice my life to save others for this reason.

Essentially I guess what I'm getting at is that each individual person has their own universe and everything is centred around them. Obviously we overlap with other people's universes.