Is the bible still relevant today?

[Deleted member 54091]

What is the basis of your morals? and your laws?
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If you put your hand in the fire, You know its hurts and is wrong.

If you cause someone suffering, loss or death.

Do you need a book to follow ?

Civilizations that passed before Christians , Egyptians where did they get there morals from.

 

[Destination]

Good for you.

My family arent English.

I just asked my Indonesian wife, she understands the phrase accurately.
Anyway back to your OP, you seem to have stranged into TROLOLOLOLOL syle phrases and edicts which you claimed not to be here to generate.

 

[Vonhelmet]

It's exactly the same god, the only real difference is what importance they give to Jesus.

Essentially, yes, and that importance colours everything they believe.

Jews are still waiting for their Messiah.
Christians found their Messiah in Jesus.
Muslims believe was just a prophet, and that there is no Messiah, as such, only God.

 

[Rainmaker]

Morality and human emotion isnt exclusive nor in anyway attributable to religion.

You're right. But survival of the fittest doesn't really work too well if I give you half of my corn when your field is flooded, and then I can't reproduce because I spend the next spring ill with consumption and then die.

Put more simply, morals often contradict 'nature's way' and it'd benefit you greatly as an individual not to have to adhere to silly moral codes that merely disadvantage you in favour of some weakling who can't look after himself.

 

[bhavv]

Egyptians where did they get there morals from.

Nowhere. They had no morals which is why they lived in a backward degenerate society which never accomplished anything good for this world.

Oh... no wait, I'm thinking of the Christian dark ages, I get my history fuddled up sometimes.

 

[Destination]

Morality and human emotion isnt exclusive nor in anyway attributable to religion.

You didn't even attempt to answer my question.
I didn't say religion generated it, I asked you to tell me why religion has no place, you claim it is all completely make believe, so tell me, scientifically, why are we not the barbarians hordes still, why are we not all vikings making raids on othger lands to better ourselves.... scientifically.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Civilizations that passed before Christians , Egyptians where did they get there morals from.

That's a great example to pick. After all, if there's one thing the Egyptians are renowned for it's having no Gods and no religions.

I'm going to have to stop. I'm getting way too sarcastic for my own good.

 

[RDM]

Okay bhavv, using science, pure science or whatever reasoning you prefer, why would a society have empathy, or social security style systems, or in fact why would a society not regulate its own births, excluding anything genetically inferior.
What is the basis of your morals? and your laws?
Using science only justify your own existance, not say why you occurred, but justify yourself and why someone shouldn't bury an axe in your head to take your goods and increase their own wealth.

It looks very much like you are suggesting that we need religion or something like it to be moral. I really wouldn't go down that road...

 

[Destination]

If you put your hand in the fire, You know its hurts and is wrong.

If you cause someone suffering, loss or death.

Do you need a book to follow ?

Civilizations that passed before Christians , Egyptians where did they get there morals from.

They all had religion....
Name me a great ancient civilisationation who were athetist?

 

[Rainmaker]

If you put your hand in the fire, You know its hurts and is wrong.

If you cause someone suffering, loss or death.

Do you need a book to follow ?

Civilizations that passed before Christians , Egyptians where did they get there morals from.

True, that's because fire burns.

Murdering the little old lady so I can buy a Playstation3 and a nice house with the loot she drops, on the other hand? That doesn't hurt me, in fact it would benefit me greatly compared to the miniscule effort I had to expend. So where's the "burn" in that one for me?

 

[ordinaryjoe]

Nowhere. They had no morals which is why they lived in a backward degenerate society which never accomplished anything good for this world.

Oh... no wait, I'm thinking of the Christian dark ages, I get my history fuddled up sometimes.

You know, Christians believe that God made the ancestors of the Egyptians too?

And you have a very interesting interpretation of the 'dark ages'

 

[Destination]

It looks very much like you are suggesting that we need religion or something like it to be moral. I really wouldn't go down that road...

No he is suggesting that religion has absolutely no place anywhere at all.
With no religion, none ever, no civilisations ever creating it, what part of science generates our moral structure?
What separates us from the animals bar an opposable thumb and exceptionally weak and dependant offspring when born?

 

[Vonhelmet]

Nowhere. They had no morals which is why they lived in a backward degenerate society which never accomplished anything good for this world.

Oh... no wait, I'm thinking of the Christian dark ages, I get my history fuddled up sometimes.

So, tell us about how the Christians held up scientific progress during the dark ages?

 

[Glaucus]

I don't think he knows what the meaning of dark age is.

 

[Deleted member 54091]

problem with human beings they always want to think there is something bigger than themselves.

apparently religion is needed for our morals now to know the difference between right and wrong.

Does this forum follow religious teaching to moderate posts ?

 

[bhavv]

So, tell us about how the Christians held up scientific progress during the dark ages?

Dark Ages (historiography), the concept of a supposed period of intellectual darkness that occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire

Wait, I read your post as 'kept up', not 'held up' at first, my bad. Of course Christianity 'held back' science during the Dark ages.

 

[RDM]

No he is suggesting that religion has absolutely no place anywhere at all.
With no religion, none ever, no civilisations ever creating it, what part of science generates our moral structure?
What separates us from the animals bar an opposable thumb and exceptionally weak and dependant offspring when born?

Religion is not required for morality and I would hazard a guess that religion gained it's morality from the culture it arose in and not the other way around. The very basic morality (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill) are effectively what is needed for any society to exist, these are social constructs that probably developed before any religious version of morality.

 

[Rainmaker]

problem with human beings they always want to think there is something bigger than themselves.

apparently religion is need for our morals now to know the difference between right and wrong.

Does this forum follow religious teaching to moderate posts ?

Nobody's saying that. You however have made various spurious and disingenuous comments since entering the thread, yet have offered absolutely no evidence to back up your statements and assertions.

 

[Deleted member 54091]

What separates us from the animals bar an opposable thumb and exceptionally weak and dependant offspring when born?

LOL, you cant tell the difference between your self a supposed intelligent being and an animals.

 

[bhavv]

yet have offered absolutely no evidence to back up your statements and assertions.

Provide evidence that God is real and that the majority of the Bible is historically accurate? Oh right, you cant.

So why do you demand evidence from other people?