Car parking at University going off co2

=VTA=MANFACE said:
Good idea. Keep carbons emissions down, and get healthy by walking.

Youngsters today bah...
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Students don't just walk around campus all day.

What about those needing to go to sports centres or to other universities. General travel and wanting to just get away and go somewhere.

Its purely a monymaking exercise and I would love to have a car where the emissions were not known. Hmmmm an old AC Cobra maybe or a 67 Mustang then tell the Uni to do one ???
 
CaptainRAVE said:
...of course, we all know CO2 based permits are just a way for the university to make more money, just in the same way as the CO2 based road tax.
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No, we don't all know this. I see CO2 based permits and road tax as a way of increasing the efficiency of country's vehicle fleet, increasing the efficiency of our economy, reducing our trade deficit... a good thing!
 
-Ad- said:
Students don't just walk around campus all day.

What about those needing to go to sports centres or to other universities. General travel and wanting to just get away and go somewhere.
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When I went to uni, little over a decade ago, VERY few students had cars. It is an illustration of how much cheaper motoring as become in real terms that many students can now afford cars.
 
What a retarded idea, I don't believe going in and out of a car park at 5mph is relative to how much Co2 is churned out in a given year.

It's a revenue generating scheme like most of the other members here have said. :)
 
Moses said:
In my union, they've banned the sale of bottled water :|. Whenever it comes into force, we'll still be able to buy bottles of everything else, just not water... then there will be water fountains.

WAT?!

Why not just install water fountains as well as having bottled water? Oh no, that'd be a good idea, better not do that!
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I don't understand - why have they got rid of only bottled water...? :confused:
clv101 said:
This sounds reasonable to me... certainly no less reasonable than car tax.
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As someone said, car tax isn't at all reasonable. They've created a very unreasonable system based on a unreasonable system.

clv101 said:
It's just one more small attempt to make inefficient cars relatively less attractive compared to efficient cars.
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But what students get to choose what cars they got given? I certainly didn't, neither did any of my housemates or friends. And now this new system is introduced - are students meant to just sell their cars and buy another one which emits less CO2? No - because students generally barely have enough money for beans on toast! So all that means is that the student isn't going to change their car and is instead just going to pay the extra £200 to the university.

clv101 said:
And what's so bad about the uni raising money?
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People are having to spend between £6000-£9000 A YEAR to be there already, and they want to raise MORE money?!

clv101 said:
Unless you haven't noticed universities are all having major changes to their budgets at the moment - increasing parking charges is a reasonable way to raise money and simultaneously discourage driving.
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But they're not increasing parking charges based on parking - they're introducing parking charges based on who will park there! This is what i was saying - why does the university get to try and dictate what kind of car i drive? All they should be worrying about is parking spaces - in which all cars are equal.

=VTA=MANFACE said:
Good idea. Keep carbons emissions down, and get healthy by walking.

Youngsters today bah...
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So if a student lives 5 miles from campus and has 3 hours of lectures so they've got to walk for over an hour to get there then over an hour home. What about in the evening in the winter when it gets dark at 4pm? They meant to just walk home then too?

Believe it or not, students don't just use their cars to travel one side of the campus to another.
 
This is crazy if true.

I would defiantly protest this with the arguement already mentioned in this thread, that if you own a higher co2 car you are already paying higher tax and most likely more in fuel and that co2 not an issue when a car is parked. Also as someone mentioned what will they charge pre 2000 cars?

IMO protest by getting a Decat and let your engine "cool down and warm up"
 
Cristian said:
you'd have a shocking surprise if you intended to graduate though.
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I didn't get any shocking surprise when i came to graduate. I got a couple threatening letters (they wrote to the DVLA and got my name and address from my numberplate), then they called me up and asked if they should put the charges (7 parking tickets) on my student account and i told them no, as, although i am the registered keeper, i wasn't the driver of the car.

They then tried to tell me that the registered keeper is responsible for parking tickets and politely told them they were wrong - it is the driver at the time that the alleged offence occured. They then asked for the driver details and i said i didn't know who was driving that day. Then they said they would write off the tickets.

Win.
 
From the email.

All the income generated from the new parking charges will be invested into initiatives that improve travel and transport on campus. For example:

  • The frequency of the cross-campus bus service will be increased and students will be able to travel on this free of charge.

  • Facilities for cyclists will be improved even further, with more bike racks and storage, and increased shower and drying room facilities.

  • There are also plans to install free electrical charging points for low-emission vehicles.
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I think people in here may be over reacting a bit. Yes it is unfair in certain cases but the majority of students don't have a car and will benefit from these improvements. I know for a fact that I will make more use of the bus if it becomes free.
 
clv101 said:
When I went to uni, little over a decade ago, VERY few students had cars. It is an illustration of how much cheaper motoring as become in real terms that many students can now afford cars.
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Was this in Banglasdesh as in 2003 when I first started there were quite a number with cars which increased into 2nd/3rd year as we moved out to houses off campus.

But it is all down to the people you know and the groups you are in.
 
Borden said:
From the email.




I think people in here may be over reacting a bit. Yes it is unfair in certain cases but the majority of students don't have a car and will benefit from these improvements. I know for a fact that I will make more use of the bus if it becomes free.
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So those with cars are paying for those who haven't?
 
Another thing i don't understand is why people with higher CO2 outputting cars have to subsidise these services? If i'm paying for a £350 a year car parking space, you better believe i'm going to be using it as much as i can - so why should i be subsidising buses for people that have paid absolutely nothing, when i'm not even going to be using it!?

EDIT: Beaten :(
 
Of course it is, like pretty much anything to do with CO2 these days. It is simply a money making scheme, whilst hiding behind the whole "we're reducing CO2!!" thing.

Do you really think a university in 2011 would be introducing these sorts of schemes if they thought they were going to be LOSING money on it? Na.

Like everything in the world - it is motivated by money.
 
clv101 said:
No, we don't all know this. I see CO2 based permits and road tax as a way of increasing the efficiency of country's vehicle fleet, increasing the efficiency of our economy, reducing our trade deficit... a good thing!
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A car should be taxed based on usage not emissions. Someone might own a 599 or something similar that emits over 300 g/km and put a mere 500 miles a year on it. The same person might own a daily driver which emits 100 g/km, putting 10,000 miles on it. The latter is causing far more environment damage and road congestion.

As far as I'm concerned road tax based on emissions is typical of ill-conceived ideological politics and little Hitlers obsessed with trying to interfere with market incentives. The Government already hit people at the pumps. The higher your emissions, the less fuel efficient your car is, the more petrol you use, the more tax you pay. Simple.

It's also a ridiculous tax because the sort of person we all hate - a 5.0 Range Rover 10,000g/km driving planet destroying child killer - couldn't care less that they have to pay £400 p.a. (or whatever the high band is these days) in road tax. It places more of a burden on the poor if anyone.
 
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clv101 said:
No, we don't all know this. I see CO2 based permits and road tax as a way of increasing the efficiency of country's vehicle fleet, increasing the efficiency of our economy, reducing our trade deficit... a good thing!
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Well keep believing that. It just happens that most of the CO2 "bands" are more expensive than the old permits. If it wasn't just to make money there would be a greater balance with an equal number of bands cheaper than the old permits.

It is more of an annoyance than anything - I will still have my big engined CO2 emitting car :p
 
scott212 said:
A car should be taxed based on usage not emissions.
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Totally agree - I'd be very happy to see car tax scrapped, and the tax put on fuel. Something like an extra 20p per litre. What ever price it took such that something driving average mileage in an average efficiency car paid exactly the same amount in tax. Anyone doing fewer miles and/or in a more efficient car than average would be better off. The level would be reset each year based on new averages.

The problem with this scheme - even though revenue neutral on average, is that politically folk would stand for more tax on fuel, so we're left with crude CO2 based tax.
 
-Ad- said:
Was this in Banglasdesh as in 2003 when I first started there were quite a number with cars which increased into 2nd/3rd year as we moved out to houses off campus.

But it is all down to the people you know and the groups you are in.
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I think it depends on what sort of Uni you went to. Even now the majority of the traditional ones have no student parking and very limited staff parking. Most of the 60's uni's also have limited parking. I was at York at the end of the 90's and to get a car park pass you needed a very good reason.
 
mglover070588 said:
Someone with a thirsty engine is getting bent over anyway - The fuel is half tax! (as the best way to reduce what a car emits is to reduce fuel consumption).
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Exactly. At least it's fair - those who use the roads the most pay the most for their upkeep, rather than an unproven GW system.

Of course, it's really about time they stopped taxing the motorist so hard. It's certainly going to be one of the main contributors to the inflation we're getting so at the end of the day, it's affecting everyone, not just those in "evil" cars.
 
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