Strauss kahn accused of rape

SB118 said:
No, the greater good is protecting other possible victims.
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So you are saying you are a rapist then?

Just because a person is accused does not make them guilty. On the same theory, every man is a potential rapist so lets lock up/investigate every man in the country on the grounds that it's "in the greater good and is protecting other possible victims" :rolleyes:
 
SB118 said:
I was found not guilty.
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No smoke without fire, was there insufficient evidence?*

*I don't actually think that - but I am highlighting why anonyminity should go both ways. If you were innocent how is it fair anyone ever knew you were accused in the first place?
 
But i might not have been innocent, what if i'd been preying on women for years? Seeing me in print might have helped other victims come forward.
 
SB118 said:
But i might not have been innocent, what if i'd been preying on women for years? Seeing me in print might have helped other victims come forward.
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What if isn't a great argument especially in the wake of prosecution statistics.

What about all those falsly accused who have had their lifes ruined?
 
[TW]Fox;19167059 said:
Been watching this on the news and I am as confused as many of you.

Here we have a guy who, like him or not, is undoubtedly very powerful and above all, very intelligent. You don't get to head up the IMF by being a bit dim. Couple this to the fact he is, or was, a favourite for the French presidency next year and it simply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that he would risk so much in order to do 'something' to a random woman he had never met and would likely never meet again.

It just makes no sense. It isn't as if things got OTT after him and the woman got drunk in a bar. It isn't a close personal friend he wanted to go further with. It's... a random woman who came into his hotel room to change the sheets.

I mean what? He would have known that if she said anything, and of course there was almost no chance she wouldnt, his career and attempts to be president would be over.

And for this reason I simply don't buy it.
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My thoughts exactly, I just simply can not see it happening. This guy can get 100's of french women at home why would he even bother with some random maid.

Its a setup or the women just thought she could make some money by saying the rich business man raped her probably not even know he was the head of the IMF. I doubt she even knows what the IMF is.
 
SB118 said:
But i might not have been innocent, what if i'd been preying on women for years? Seeing me in print might have helped other victims come forward.
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And yet you still haven't addressed this valid point:

Tefal said:
equally then the accuser should be publicly outed, in case there's any one she has blackmailed etc but who gave in before she went to the police who could come forward and inform the world that she's done this type of thing before.
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I agree that:

"The system is there to protect alleged rape victims, not vilify them."

However, an equal system should be in place to protect victims of false rape allegations, but it isn't, even though I would imagine* this can be just as damaging and traumatic to the individual involved.

*I'm fortunate enough to have never been on either side of the situation, but I can see the damage it would cause.
 
The other system would have rape victims paraded on the news, along with the "no smoke without fire" from the other direction, "she's a bit of a tart, she must have been asking for it".

Or when a rape victim is named and the case is lost, fingers are pointed, unspoken suggestions made. Would that encourage other rape victims to come forward? Or would they be afraid of the grief that would come into their lives if the case was lost?

Do we want a system that can maximise the chance of a successful prosecution and conviction, or a system that makes rape victims afraid to come forwards in the first place?
 
Just trawling through reuters and thought this was interesting:


12/05/2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/12/us-imf-lipsky-idUSTRE74B5I920110512
(Reuters) - John Lipsky, the number two official at the International Monetary Fund, said on Thursday he will step down from his post when his term expires at the end of August.
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18/05/2011
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/18/strausskahn-deputy-idUKN1720131420110518
May 17 (Reuters) - The United States is considering proposing White House adviser David Lipton to take over from John Lipsky as the No. 2 official at the International Monetary Fund, sources familiar with the situation said on Tuesday.

Lipsky stepped in as acting IMF managing director this week after the arrest on Saturday of Dominique Strauss-Kahn in New York on charges of sexual assault and attempted rape.
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For a man who is supposed to be stepping down in a few months things are certainly looking up for Lipsky, and Lipton must be thrilled.

According to this 2009 article in the ny times: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/david-a-lipton/

Lipton is part of the national security council, and national economic council
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nsc/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nec

Foreign policy and economy. Terrific :)

So Sarkozy gets a free run and the states get a puppet. Woop woop!
 
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Biohazard said:
What about all those falsly accused who have had their lifes ruined?
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Name them? Everyone I've ever heard who has been accused and then acquitted, have recovered their career just fine thanks. It may have taken a while, but it has happened. Craig Charles as an example? He seems to be in gainful employment these days. How many even remember that he was accused? The Hamiltons? Yep, that killed their career. Wait, no it didn't. If anything it improved it. The only exception I can think of is Fatty Arbuckle - and that's going back away. And there have been a number of cases where women have come forward after a suspect was named whose stories have been proved, but otherwise would not have been heard.




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Is there any repercussion for a woman who alleges rape, then admits she made it all up? Or just drops charges?

What's to stop a woman making a false claim for money, or for publicity (since I suspect doing it for money could be a criminal offence), or some other reason?
 
Meridian said:
Name them? Everyone I've ever heard who has been accused and then acquitted, have recovered their career just fine thanks. It may have taken a while, but it has happened. Craig Charles as an example? He seems to be in gainful employment these days. How many even remember that he was accused? The Hamiltons? Yep, that killed their career. Wait, no it didn't. If anything it improved it. The only exception I can think of is Fatty Arbuckle - and that's going back away. And there have been a number of cases where women have come forward after a suspect was named whose stories have been proved, but otherwise would not have been heard.




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the lad who committed suicide in the story posted earlier?
 
FoxEye said:
Is there any repercussion for a woman who alleges rape, then admits she made it all up? Or just drops charges?
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If they admit they made it up or it can be proven they made it up they can be charged with perverting the course of justice.

but proving they made it up is just as hard as proving they didn't.
 
Meridian said:
Name them? Everyone I've ever heard who has been accused and then acquitted, have recovered their career just fine thanks. It may have taken a while, but it has happened. Craig Charles as an example? He seems to be in gainful employment these days. How many even remember that he was accused? The Hamiltons? Yep, that killed their career. Wait, no it didn't. If anything it improved it. The only exception I can think of is Fatty Arbuckle - and that's going back away. And there have been a number of cases where women have come forward after a suspect was named whose stories have been proved, but otherwise would not have been heard.




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Famous people recover and come back. Normal people don;t have that benefit.

Have a read of this man's 7 year hell from a "fake" rape allegation.

http://www.harrysnews.com/tgfalselyaccusedofrape.htm

or this one:

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/03/young-man-falsely-accused-of-rape-tells.html

Or this one who killed himself after losing his job and his life went down the pan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-541189/Man-hangs-falsely-accused-raping-women-children.html

That is 3 of the first 5 hits from Google. I reckon I could post hundreds. The newspapers don;t report what happens to falsely accused rapists. It;s easy to know what happens with stars.:rolleyes:
 
FoxEye said:
Is there any repercussion for a woman who alleges rape, then admits she made it all up? Or just drops charges?

What's to stop a woman making a false claim for money, or for publicity (since I suspect doing it for money could be a criminal offence), or some other reason?
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Again: just because she drops the charges does not mean that it happened. And yes, if anything false-accusers are pursued more seriously, and often sentenced more seriously, than rapists: rapists can and do get off with cautions (yes, they can) but genuine false-accusers average about two years in prison.

As for Greebo's links, I should point out that two of them are presenting only one side of the story - and to quote Mandy Rice-Davies: "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"), and the last doesn't actually say who the accuser was - it certainly doesn't say that the alleged victim was.


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