Britain out of Ireland!

Metalface Mark said:
I never claimed it was a football association, just that there was a British cup and as such, calling Scottish and English clubs British is correct.

I know what the anglo scottish cup is Castiel, I watched the 1980 final live, you dont have to cut and paste from the internet what it is.

And you are wrong, legally, any British player could play for any of the countries, the fact remains that they dont as it could and probably would lead to the breakdown of the four countries as individual countries with the fear that we would all be forced into having a single British team.
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I cut and pasted (using quotes to illustrate this) the rules that FIFA and the respective Home Nations have codified regarding the eligibility of international players.

everything else was my own words, as well you know. So your attempt to discredit the post in that manner is really a wasted effort.

All clubs and participants agree to these rules as a requirement of their membership and as such they are as legally binding as any other agreed contract.

Just because you watched a game in 1980 doesn't automatically convey an intimate knowledge of the rules regarding eligibility of home nation players. Even if we accept that an inter-association cup infers proprietorship, as that cup has not existed since 1981 it is no longer valid as a current example. It would also infer that Maccabi Haifa F.C. is a European Club rather than strictly an Israeli one because they compete in the European League. You simply would not refer to them as such, they are an Israeli football team that are eligible to compete in European completion, the same as Celtic are a Scottish team that are eligible to compete in European competition.

The simple fact that Celtic have no official affiliation with a British association or competition means that they are not accurately a British Club, they are a Scottish one.
 
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spudbynight said:
I think you have a closed mind on this and you have admitted to trolling.
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That is your opinion not a statement of fact, as is your accusation of trolling, I have not admitted to trolling, you simply interpret it as such and in fact if I am guilty of such then by definition so are you.
 
Im only discrediting it because it was incorrect.

There is a gentlemans agreement in place to stop Scotland picking English players etc, nothing else, nothing more stops this from happening, and that only players with bloodlines to a country can be selected in the UK.
 
I wish people wouldn't use the "verb" 'trolling' if they disagree with your opinion. That's not the definition of trolling and never was. :D
 
LeJosh said:
I wish people wouldn't use the "verb" 'trolling' if they disagree with your opinion. That's not the definition of trolling and never was. :D
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I am not accusing Castiel of being a troll because I disagree with him.

He has admitted to being on a wind up which is evidence of trollery.
 
Metalface Mark said:
Im only discrediting it because it was incorrect.

There is a gentlemans agreement in place to stop Scotland picking English players etc, nothing else, nothing more stops this from happening, and that only players with bloodlines to a country can be selected in the UK.
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Only Prior to 1993, when the rules were codified into a legally binding agreement which affects all the home nation football associations.

The four home nations - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - entered an agreement in February 1993 which set down the criteria for determining the international eligibility of players holding a British passport.

A player is eligible to play for one of the home countries if:

1. it is the country of his birth.

2. it is the country of birth of his natural mother or father.

3. it is the country of birth of one of his natural grandmothers or grandfathers.

A player who holds a current British passport but whose natural parents and natural grandparents were born outside the United Kingdom is eligible to play for the home country of his choice.
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Of couse this agreement can be broken, but that doesn't mean that there would not be a legal challenge to any player that did.

FIFA's rules on eligibility of players over 21 only illustrate this, as was the case with the eligibility of Rory Fallon to play for New Zealand which took some time to get clearance even though he had not played for England at senior level, until FIFA changed the rules removing the age limit on a player with more than one eligible country switching allegiance from one to another after their 21st birthday regardless of whether they had played at senior level or not. The age restriction was lifted in 2009 and until that point Rory Fallon could not be selected bt the NZ FA regardless of both parties wishes.

This is similar to the eligibility of British born players, to stop the confusion home nation FA's codified a binding agreement that the rules as stated above would be effective from 1993 onward and that is how it currently stands. Like an contract agreed by the respective participants it is a binding agreement.
 
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spudbynight said:
I am not accusing Castiel of being a troll because I disagree with him.

He has admitted to being on a wind up which is evidence of trollery.
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No it doesn't, it simply means that the topic is not to be taken with complete seriousness and is in fact just a friendly debate on the relative perception of the semantics of whether Celtic should be considered a Scottish or British Club in the technical rather than commonly used description of the club.
 
Castiel said:
Only Prior to 1993, when the rules were codified into a legally binding agreement which affects all the home nation football associations.



Of couse this agreement can be broken, but that doesn't mean that there would not be a legal challenge to any player that did.

FIFA's rules on eligibility of players over 21 only illustrate this, as was the case with the eligibility of Rory Fallon to play for New Zealand which took some time to get clearance even though he had not played for England at senior level, until FIFA changed the rules removing the age limit on a player with more than one eligible country switching allegiance from one to another after their 21st birthday regardless of whether they had played at senior level or not.

This is similar to the eligibility of British born players, to stop the confusion home nation FA's codified a binding agreement that the rules as stated above would be effective from 1993 onward and that is how it currently stands. Like an contract agreed by the respective participants it is a binding agreement.
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Youre welcome.
 
Metalface Mark said:
Celtic are a registered British company, thus they are a British football club.
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hahahaha, I was starting to lose all faith in people, I cannot believe it has taken someone so long to alter the perception from it's registration as a Football Club as I have done to illustrate their nationality, to that of their registration as a Company to illustrate their nationality.

Well played Mark...:D

Although you could argue that the football club is simply owned by the British holding company and as such, while the company is British, it owns a Scottish Football Club....;)


So, if we conclude that the two entities are synonymous (I may or may not depending on how the debate progresses ;)) the question becomes is the OP referring to them as strictly a Football Club or as Public Company, and if as a British company rather than a football club, how does that impact on British companies operating in the RoI when we consider the views the OP has regarding Republicans patronage of anything even vaguely non-Irish?

Just to get it back on topic.....well, sort of!


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I find that their actual registration number also conveys their Scottish nationality rather than their alleged British one.........
Celtic F.C. Limited
Celtic Park
Glasgow
G40 3RE

Registered Number 223604 Scotland
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So maybe it is not as clear cut as you first thought Mark....it may well illustrate that Celtic are indeed a Scottish Company and thus if we accept that the Limited Company and the Football Club proper are a single entity then their registration would imply they are a Scottish Football Club rather than a British one....
 
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I don't believe any company registers as a Great British company.

It's all seperated to their nation: England; Scotland; Wales; NI.

Feel free to correct me though as I'm sure one of you will. :D
 
LeJosh said:
I don't believe any company registers as a Great British company.

It's all seperated to their nation: England; Scotland; Wales; NI.

Feel free to correct me though as I'm sure one of you will. :D
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You register in the nation but it all comes under companies house and is registered as a United Kingdom company.
 
Metalface Mark said:
You register in the nation but it all comes under companies house and is registered as a United Kingdom company.
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However they are registered as a Scottish Company, the registration is only held centrally at Companies House.

Companies House use a special reference to distinguish between English and Scottish companies. Scottish company numbers are prefixed with the letters "SC". For example, an English company might have the number 06488522, whilst the equivalent Scottish company number would be displayed as SC06488522.
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Thus they are viewed as a distinct and separate from each other, thus companies house views Celtic Football Club as a Scottish Company as opposed to a British one, hence the distinction.


*phew, thought I was on the ropes there for a second*...:D
 
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Castiel said:
However they are registered as a Scottish Company, the registration is only held centrally at Companies House.



Thus they are viewed as a distinct and separate from each other, thus companies house views Celtic Football Club as a Scottish Company as opposed to a British one, hence the distinction.
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It makes no difference, it all comes under companies house and is registered as any scottish company, under a listed united kingdom company, which you can search yourself at the companies house website.
 
Castiel said:
Companies House use a special reference to distinguish between English and Scottish companies. Scottish company numbers are prefixed with the letters "SC". For example, an English company might have the number 06488522, whilst the equivalent Scottish company number would be displayed as SC06488522.
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Celtic F.C. Limited
Celtic Park
Glasgow
G40 3RE

Registered Number 223604 Scotland
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Oh god, that's torn it - now they're an English company/club just playing in Scotland.... :):p:D;)
 
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