Cyclists

[Ahleckz]

Why are you generalising from that video? That is like saying drivers are moronic because some of them are idiot boy racers.

No it's not, because most people who aren't 'boy racers' don't state how cool they are and how they love what they do thus justifying their actions. On the whole, idiot boy racers are put down by other drivers. The same can't be said for idiot cyclists as this thread demonstrates.

He isn't generalising from the video, he is generalising from the responses to the video. Most motorists when presented with an idiot boy racer video will happily call them idiot boy racers rather than praise them for their iresponsibility.

Didn't see this before I replied, but yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Participant]

No it's not, because most people who aren't 'boy racers' don't state how cool they are and how they love what they do thus justifying their actions. On the whole, idiot boy racers are put down by other drivers. The same can't be said for idiot cyclists as this thread demonstrates.

Yes it can, idiot cyclists are idiots. There, and I'm not the first cyclist to say that. You just picked a video that attracted a disproportionate number of people that sympathised with stupidity.

At the end of the day we're all cyclists in one way or another.

 

[Saundie]

Yes it can, idiot cyclists are idiots.

That's the key though, isn't it? Idiot cyclists are idiots who happen to cycle, in the same way that idiot motorists are idiots who happen to drive a car. The mode of transport isn't the problem; it's the person being idiotic.

 

[Participant]

That's the key though, isn't it? Idiot cyclists are idiots who happen to cycle, in the same way that idiot motorists are idiots who happen to drive a car. The mode of transport isn't the problem; it's the person being idiotic.

Yeah I know but Ahleckz was suggesting that there are more cyclists unwilling to berate idiot cyclists, than there are motorists unwilling to berate idiot motorists. Being as it's taken from a straw poll of ONE example, this is complete rubbish.

 

[Ahleckz]

Yeah I know but Ahleckz was suggesting that there are more cyclists unwilling to berate idiot cyclists, than there are motorists unwilling to berate idiot motorists. Being as it's taken from a straw poll of ONE example, this is complete rubbish.

Well this thread is about cyclists, I accept there are stupid motorists. I've seen plenty of them. Likewise I've seen many stupid cyclists.

Remember that thread with the car in Edinburgh, driving stupidly? It was met with pretty much unanimous condemnation within Motors (where a lot of drivers visit). Compare that with the video in this thread (where a lot of cyclists visit) and you don't get the same outcome. In fact, it's quite opposite with people saying how they love it. It's not acceptable behaviour, and the cycling community should be at the forefront in stamping out such behaviour. It appears that they are not prepared to do this.

 

[Delvis]

And look, none of the cyclists here are condoning this video (apart from the OP). In fact some of you are praising it and stating how good it is. It's idiotic. The community (cyclists) should speak up to stamp out these things for the good of all people that use the roads and pavements. That 'race' is a menace and does nothing for the view of cyclists. Likewise, people in this thread that are saying that they love it are just as daft.

There's a reason people dislike cyclists, and this video proves why. They are moronic inconsiderate pain in the rears and the community as a whole does nothing to curb this.

Way to over generalise maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

On the whole, idiot boy racers are put down by other drivers. The same can't be said for idiot cyclists as this thread demonstrates.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread very well then

As stated, it is the individual who makes the bad driver / cyclist

The video is a group of people who went out to cycle like that, it isn't an every day morning commute of a bunch of people going to the same job.

 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

I have experienced more than my fair share of idiot drivers who have almost caused accidents by their complete idiocy. Oh, there's a fire engine, why don't I stop right in the middle of this traffic island. It beggers belief.

 

[mufc802]

This might sound ridiculous but it's just my suggestion to get fewer cars on the road as everyone knows this is a major problem.

Every person who drives a motor vehicle which involves them filling up at a petrol pump must use a special fuel card instead of cash or credit card, and it's assigned to that particular vehicle, and an on-board computer can calculate the amount of weight in that vehicle as well as distance travelled in one time. It will charge more for petrol the shorter the journey is, so if you travelled 100 miles a day it would cost considerably less for petrol than travelling 10 miles a day.

Of-course there would be an exception for heavy load drivers which is why the vehicle will take that into consideration with more weight being carried the less you are charged. When motorists who travel less than 10 miles a day not carrying anything realize it costs them the most for fuel they might consider alternative transport.

Of course if you're disabled or anything like that it wouldn't affect you but need to be strict overlooking so nobody cheats the system.

The special card would be useful so that the fuel pump simply wouldn't operate if there was no money on that card, so nobody could fill up and leave without paying. The money on the fuel card would need to be transferred from your bank account before hand or transferred using cash inside the fuel shop.

This will never happen, but it would reduce the number of vehicles.

 

[SDK^]

Thats shocking mate - did you get the police involved?

The police and ambulance were on the scene within a few minutes. The police took statements, breathalysed the driver etc and gave me an accident number for insurance purposes.

 

[Ahleckz]

This might sound ridiculous but it's just my suggestion to get fewer cars on the road as everyone knows this is a major problem.

Is it?

 

[Participant]

Well this thread is about cyclists, I accept there are stupid motorists. I've seen plenty of them. Likewise I've seen many stupid cyclists.

Remember that thread with the car in Edinburgh, driving stupidly? It was met with pretty much unanimous condemnation within Motors (where a lot of drivers visit). Compare that with the video in this thread (where a lot of cyclists visit) and you don't get the same outcome. In fact, it's quite opposite with people saying how they love it. It's not acceptable behaviour, and the cycling community should be at the forefront in stamping out such behaviour. It appears that they are not prepared to do this.

But you're generalising about the entire community from one niche video? Can you really not see the issue with that?

 

[yer_averagejoe]

There is a particular stretch of road on my commute on which the speed limit is 30mph and I can reach that, since it is downhill. Almost every day, I'll be ahead of traffic, going 30mph and some idiot will try to overtake me, not realising how fast I am going and so can't get around me quickly and usually being faced with on-coming traffic, putting himself, myself and the oncoming vehicle in huge danger.

To re-iterate the problem I have with impatient drivers, I was cycling down here at about 30mph today, car revving behind me. Other side of the road clears up so she decides to overtake, bringing her car up to about 50mph. Since I was clearly going faster than she thought (could have just looked at her speedo before the overtake?) it took her longer than she'd anticipated to overtake me. So, by the time she's overtaken me, she's going 50mph and doesnt have time to stop for the light at a pedestrian crossing (with mother and pram waiting to cross) that has just turned red so flies straight through. Then I just caught up with her by the next set of lights.

SO by driving aggressively like that, she'd saved NO TIME on her journey, skipped a red light and almost killed a child.

Edit: To add to the current debate, I think the cyclists in the video will get whats coming to them at some point and it will be fully deserved. I don't condone that behavior in any way.

 

[Chronictank]

To re-iterate the problem I have with impatient drivers, I was cycling down here at about 30mph today, car revving behind me. Other side of the road clears up so she decides to overtake, bringing her car up to about 50mph. Since I was clearly going faster than she thought (could have just looked at her speedo before the overtake?) it took her longer than she'd anticipated to overtake me. So, by the time she's overtaken me, she's going 50mph and doesnt have time to stop for the light at a pedestrian crossing (with mother and pram waiting to cross) that has just turned red so flies straight through. Then I just caught up with her by the next set of lights.

SO by driving aggressively like that, she'd saved NO TIME on her journey, skipped a red light and almost killed a child.

Edit: To add to the current debate, I think the cyclists in the video will get whats coming to them at some point and it will be fully deserved. I don't condone that behavior in any way.

you didn't exactly help the situation by not letting her overtake, so by no slowing down to let her overtake YOU closed the take over gap...
You both are at fault, you for acting like a pleb and her for misreading the situation

A fact you and various other people in this thread seem to be overlooking; a car can do 30 mph consistently for as long as it has fuel, the average person on a bike cannot

 

[Ahleckz]

But you're generalising about the entire community from one niche video? Can you really not see the issue with that?

I'm stating my belief from what I have seen within this thread, and others on this forum as well as things I have seen in real life. I only have that to base it on, so if that's generalisation so be it.

Cyclists are very quick to blame other road users but rarely do they look inwards at themselves/their community. The behaviour shown in that video is terrible and it does reflect badly on the entire cycling community as a whole. No matter if that's justified or not, it's the truth. I believe that the community has a duty to attempt to stamp out such terrible cycling. This isn't something that I've seen much of, unfortunately.

There are bad and good motorists, much like there are bad and good cyclists, much like good and bad pedestrians. When presented with bad, dangerous and illegal driving, that community spoke up about it and condemned it. When presented with bad, dangerous and illegal cycling, that community stated how they loved it.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

you didn't exactly help the situation by not letting her overtake, so by no slowing down to let her overtake YOU closed the take over gap...
You both are at fault, you for acting like a pleb and her for misreading the situation

I didn't speed up when she tried to overtake and gave her room to do so. I've never seen a car slow down to let someone overtake them.

You're saying cyclists should slow down when motorists overtake them?

This was entirely her fault.

 

[Participant]

you didn't exactly help the situation by not letting her overtake, so by no slowing down to let her overtake YOU closed the take over gap...
You both are at fault, you for acting like a pleb and her for misreading the situation

A fact you and various other people in this thread seem to be overlooking; a car can do 30 mph consistently for as long as it has fuel, the average person on a bike cannot

What? So cyclists aren't even allowed to maintain their already low speed now? The onus is on the motorist to make sure they can pass safely. How was the cyclist to know she was going to plow through a pedestrian crossing?

I'm stating my belief from what I have seen within this thread, and others on this forum as well as things I have seen in real life. I only have that to base it on, so if that's generalisation so be it.

Cyclists are very quick to blame other road users but rarely do they look inwards at themselves/their community. The behaviour shown in that video is terrible and it does reflect badly on the entire cycling community as a whole. No matter if that's justified or not, it's the truth. I believe that the community has a duty to attempt to stamp out such terrible cycling. This isn't something that I've seen much of, unfortunately.

Well that's retarded logic, it's like saying that if you saw a joy-riding video on a Vauxhall Nova forum where everyone was condoning it and saying how fun it must have been, it reflects badly on the whole motoring community.

 

[Delvis]

I didn't speed up when she tried to overtake and gave her room to do so. I've never seen a car slow down to let someone overtake them.

You're saying cyclists should slow down when motorists overtake them?

This was entirely her fault.

Indeed

I mean yes, I've been frustrated by being stuck behind a cyclist before, but you know, just wait...It really isn't hard

was this in a town or something? What was the speed limit anyway if there where lights?

 

[bam0]

I'm stating my belief from what I have seen within this thread, and others on this forum as well as things I have seen in real life. I only have that to base it on, so if that's generalisation so be it.

Cyclists are very quick to blame other road users but rarely do they look inwards at themselves/their community. The behaviour shown in that video is terrible and it does reflect badly on the entire cycling community as a whole. No matter if that's justified or not, it's the truth. I believe that the community has a duty to attempt to stamp out such terrible cycling. This isn't something that I've seen much of, unfortunately.

There are bad and good motorists, much like there are bad and good cyclists, much like good and bad pedestrians. When presented with bad, dangerous and illegal driving, that community spoke up about it and condemned it. When presented with bad, dangerous and illegal cycling, that community stated how they loved it.

What is this community you're talking about? There is no head of cycling who speaks on behalf of all cyclists, no internal body that can censure other cyclists.
On the video you're talking about of the motorist in the white focus I saw plenty of people who thought it was cool and not a problem because it was early in the morning on empty roads.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

Indeed

I mean yes, I've been frustrated by being stuck behind a cyclist before, but you know, just wait...It really isn't hard

was this in a town or something? What was the speed limit anyway if there where lights?

Yeah in a town. Speed limit is 30mph on this road. In fairness I was probably doing closer to 25mph than 30.

What makes it worse is that she didn't even need to complete the overtake. Me being on a bike and not taking up much room, she could have just slowed down for the pedestrian crossing and pulled up next to me. Its the fact thats she HAD to overtake the cyclist. Its not to say that her action was even conscious, theres just this mindset that people get into that tells them to overtake when they see a cyclist, without considering the variables.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

Maybe we should turn this into the *** Official "I Hate Cyclists" Thread ***?