Joule Creates Renewable Fossil Fuels At Unlimited Quantity.

Ecoli is not a plant, it is going to grow in some sort of growth medium, so it is not going to take away farm land. How is space an issue?

it does need huge amounts of land though, as you need a lot of sun light.

their test one is 1,200 acres


There is loads of free space in the world. Most of the world is empty.

Usually for good reason.
 
Ecoli is not a plant, it is going to grow in some sort of growth medium, so it is not going to take away farm land. How is space an issue? There is loads of free space in the world. Most of the world is empty.

Space is the fairly obvious issue here - they've got this stuff to produce ethanol at a similar rate we can obtain ethanol from corn. In theory they might eventually be able to get twice that... Its not going to scale well - sure they might produce some fuel with the stuff if it became economical - but if we were to try and use this as an alternative to drilling for oil.... we'd need rather a lot of space....
 
which isn't a problem for growing things like algea and I assume ecoli. They are not plants.

yes it is.

Lots of ground is unsuitable for building massive collections structures covering thousands of acres which need huge quantities of fresh water.
 
It isn't algae/doesn't require algae
Did you miss the ecoli
yes it is.

Lots of ground is unsuitable for building massive collections structures covering thousands of acres which need huge quantities of fresh water.

that's not what they say

says, “[this] technology can produce virtually unlimited quantities of fossil fuels with zero dependence on raw materials, agricultural land, crops or fresh water

As jokester says it's more comparable to pv solar cross than a crop.
 
yes it is.

Lots of ground is unsuitable for building massive collections structures covering thousands of acres which need huge quantities of fresh water.
It doesn't need fresh water, they can use sea water, coupled with places with lots of sunlight ie deserts, then space isn't really an issue and it certainly isn't competing for land use with agriculture that conventional bio-fuels do.
 
It's an interesting idea but I still think we should be waning away from creating hydrocarbons. The fact that they're messy should be a reason to find other sources not just because as things stand they're running out.

I don't know, I'm a huge fan of solar power yet it's still not that efficient. I'm sure this is where the money should be on.
 
It doesn't need fresh water, they can use sea water, coupled with places with lots of sunlight ie deserts, then space isn't really an issue and it certainly isn't competing for land use with agriculture that conventional bio-fuels do.

Quite obviously is still a massive issue - the amount of space required is still huge.
 
Quite obviously is still a massive issue - the amount of space required is still huge.
If it did require agricultural land (which it doesn't), the US would have to use 1/3rd of it's arable land to grow enough algae-based biofuels to sate their appetite.

This is at least a factor of two times more efficient than traditional biofuels per acre.
 
All this talk about land use is deflecting things from the only real issue with this technology. Do we want this kind of bacteria potentially escaping into the environment and what are the potential consequences it it does?
 
although it would only take (from some crude maths) 8.76 million acres (35,450 km² )of land to produce enough fuel to meet the Us daily usage of petrol/diesel.

And that's not including the ethanol they produce at the same time.

That's actually a pretty reasonable amount of land.
 
It does say salt water:-

The Joule technology requires no “feedstock,” no corn, no wood, no garbage, no algae. Aside from hungry, gene-altered micro-organisms, it requires only carbon dioxide and sunshine to manufacture crude. And water: whether fresh, brackish or salt.
 
Quite obviously is still a massive issue - the amount of space required is still huge.

exactly - they reckon 800 barrels of crude equivalent per year per acre.
so it really needs millions of acres to make any impact - the logistics for collection from an area that size must be horrendous.
 
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