A crime has been committed, someone has been stabbed to death. Do you think no murdered should be arrested till after the court appearance. How do the police know they where burglars, how do they not know it was gang warfare or any other number of possibilities. They have to be arrested so they can be cautioned and questioned. It really is utterly retarded to say they shouldn't be.
Suspected burglar stabbed to death by homeowner
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A crime has been committed, someone has been stabbed to death. Do you think no murdered should be arrested till after the court appearance. How do the police know they where burglars, how do they not know it was gang warfare or any other number of possibilities. They have to be arrested so they can be cautioned and questioned. It really is utterly retarded to say they shouldn't be.
That's not a crimeMurder or Manslaughter are crimes.
You know what I mean, there is more than enough suspension for police to take action. What more do you need than a body.
If it turns out they where breaking in an d defending themselves, and it still goes to court then we can all jump up and down. Until then it's a total non story on the legal side of things.
Has that happened yet, your jumping the gun here. They haven't been charged, they aren't in court. They have been arrested. Becuase they stabbed someone and until the facts are found that is the only way to handle it. If they used reasonable force and they where burglars they will be released.
Jumping the gun a little I guess, but my stance still stands if they are actually charged!
4 men. What makes anyone think they just wanted to burgle the house, perhaps they'd want to rape and kill somebody also.
You know I understand when there is an excessive force used by the victim. Such as crime has been done then they catch up with the criminal and bat him to death....I can understand that.
But 1 stab wound is less the minimum he could have done. The fact that they're even considering a possibility of a murder is sickening.
Insanity!
EDIT: oh they haven't been charged. Ah I guess the article blew it out of proportion, police are just following a standard procedure.
You know I understand when there is an excessive force used by the victim. Such as crime has been done then they catch up with the criminal and bat him to death....I can understand that.
But 1 stab wound is less the minimum he could have done. The fact that they're even considering a possibility of a murder is sickening.
Insanity!
EDIT: oh they haven't been charged. Ah I guess the article blew it out of proportion, police are just following a standard procedure.
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a gang of men wearing balaclavas enter your home and that isn't a threat to you, do you just point and say wife is in that room and the jewellery in the next ?
How do police know there was 4, that's alleged.
How do police know what happened at the house, the body wasn't even at the house.
Again until facts are verified of course it should be treated as murder. Otherwise they wouldn't get the evidence or procedure would be followed and if it turned out to be murder it would be chucked out of court,
Again they have not been charged.
Also as the law stands you can only use reasonable force. So until more facts are released they have to investigate that as well, or the police wouldn't be doing their job.
Edit - just seen your edit.
Yeah yeah, I thought he's looking at being charged with murder / manslaughter but as I understand now its just a standard police procedure, nothing to wrong with that.
No, you get to a safe place ie you get the **** out of there!
UNLESS you geniuenly fear for your life or that of loved ones then fighting/stricking out IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. That is unless your some sort of Neanderthal that seems to think that your property is worth more than human life
well if people start doing that then burglars won't even need to break in anymore, they can just knock and say hi we are burglars, can you kindly leave whilst we take your stuff, don't try and stop us because if we get hurt then you will go to jail.
You would prefer for the people to be questioned without the presence of a solicitor?
And if the thieves had this same opinion, they wouldn't have been there, and the situation would never have arisen in the first place.
So you wouldnt feel threated by 4 guys in balaclavs kick your door in late at night with wife and child inside? Id grab narest wepond and go for them if they were armed or not. If you honestly wouldnt do the same then you think far tooo much!
It's easy to pass moral judgement in such situations as we all assume a stereotype.
Stereotype:
A group of dodgy troublemakers stakes out Hard-Working Joe's house and spots an easy way to break in and snatch the family TV. In the dead of night they creep up to the house and force a window. The valliant homeowner awakens and during the struggle to defend his home stabs a burglar. The burglars then flee and the good people of Forumville rejoice in the justice of it all.
Alternate Scenario:
A hard-core criminal does a rip deal and makes off with a lot of drugs. He is a blowhard and threatens to kill anyone who gets within a mile of his house. The people he ripped off band together and try and break into his house to steal back their stash. He puts a knife in one and frightens them off.
The stereotype being quiet righteous, but the alternate scenerio kind of muddies it up doesn't it? The point being that before passing judgement in such cases it is best to get the facts and more importantly know the backgrounds of all involved. Too many people instantly assign unlimited virtue to the notion of a "homeowner". The word carries a powerful stereotype in the media.
Stereotype:
A group of dodgy troublemakers stakes out Hard-Working Joe's house and spots an easy way to break in and snatch the family TV. In the dead of night they creep up to the house and force a window. The valliant homeowner awakens and during the struggle to defend his home stabs a burglar. The burglars then flee and the good people of Forumville rejoice in the justice of it all.
Alternate Scenario:
A hard-core criminal does a rip deal and makes off with a lot of drugs. He is a blowhard and threatens to kill anyone who gets within a mile of his house. The people he ripped off band together and try and break into his house to steal back their stash. He puts a knife in one and frightens them off.
The stereotype being quiet righteous, but the alternate scenerio kind of muddies it up doesn't it? The point being that before passing judgement in such cases it is best to get the facts and more importantly know the backgrounds of all involved. Too many people instantly assign unlimited virtue to the notion of a "homeowner". The word carries a powerful stereotype in the media.
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I still think it's ok to stab a balaclava'd hoodlum breaking into your property even if you're a drug dealer.
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hit hime with a wooden baseball bat, leave him on the street, thats my plan.
Hopfully I'll never have to take action on it as id crap myself
Unfortunately the americans have it right on this frontier, allbeit to an extreeme. I htink if you give a burgular a good beating for trying to rob you, you should be fine, how does it sound when you beat up the robber, then he goes to the old bill!
Hopfully I'll never have to take action on it as id crap myself
Unfortunately the americans have it right on this frontier, allbeit to an extreeme. I htink if you give a burgular a good beating for trying to rob you, you should be fine, how does it sound when you beat up the robber, then he goes to the old bill!
