If he doesn't like the pay he should have / should go into the private sector and quit belly aching..... the grass is not always greener and the private sector gets whipped just as hard if not harder sometimes than the public so no..........
Teachers on strike
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If he doesn't like the pay he should have / should go into the private sector and quit belly aching..... the grass is not always greener and the private sector gets whipped just as hard if not harder sometimes than the public so no..........
Actually, their pay rises are frozen currently around here, so you have no idea what you are on about
He said "why they think they should be entitled to" not they are getting or expecting.
Leaving doesn't mean they weren't passionate about the job.
Normally the argument is don't like it find another job, and when that happens they are greedy money grabbing people?
Pfft, you obviously must be lying. Don't you know that teachers only do a 26 hour week, are gone from the school car park at 3.45pm and plan their entire days lessons on Monday morning during registration! OH and not forgetting the 4365346 week holidays they have.
Would i be right in assuming that you are quite young? The only reason i ask is that I don't give a crap about pensions at the moment, but that's because i think i'm still too young to fully appreciate them or care about having a pension. However, for these teachers that are 40 or 50 - their pension is everything. The holy grail. And that's why i think they are striking so hard.
I think you might have a mixture of being very new to the job, and so full of enthusiasm and at the same time, quite young so not really thinking about retirement. On the other hand, some teachers have been in the job 30 years and have seen how much everything is changed - they just want their pension and to get out.
Only recently, and they start up again in October, if not earlier
His point is still void, they cannot get pay rises regardless...Comparing it to cuts in the private sector are void due to teachers having pay freezes, they are in the same boat
http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk - That’s where a lot of my former colleagues are now
http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk – Is where you should go if your not happy where you are now.
You can try and belittle my experience of teaching by trying to insinuate that experience gained from ones own mother is somehow so far removed its irrelevant if that’s how you think you can express your argument properly. I really don’t care. I have the utmost respect for teachers and the work that they do but right now when the country and population is suffering as it is, you wont get an ounce of sympathy from me for wanting to be treated better than the rest of us, and at our expense to.
http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk – Is where you should go if your not happy where you are now.
You can try and belittle my experience of teaching by trying to insinuate that experience gained from ones own mother is somehow so far removed its irrelevant if that’s how you think you can express your argument properly. I really don’t care. I have the utmost respect for teachers and the work that they do but right now when the country and population is suffering as it is, you wont get an ounce of sympathy from me for wanting to be treated better than the rest of us, and at our expense to.
Which brings us to where we are today. The teachers are expecting more than they should get given the current climate.
The public sector pensions should have been addressed ages ago, it's only now that the tories are tackling it that its an issue.
This needs to happen.
No they aren't in the same boat at all. Pay freezes are a small part of what is happening in the private sector.
Look at the high st stores that are all closing, also another 15k Lloyds staff being made redundant.
Same boat. Give over.
Yes he can do that, but WE WANT GOOD PEOPLE TO BE TEACHERS.
Would you rather your child was taught by a well-educated, compassionate and hard-working person or a drop-out sloth?
Are they dropping the qualifying grade to become a teacher also?
Or maybe its because apparently im one of the few people who can see what its going to be like if they squeeze teaching?
A future of being educated by Fred the inbred farmer who married his cousin, because all the bright minds have moved onto / started in higher paid, easier, jobs is a future i fear for.
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This is true, but does academic ability at degree level really reflect the ability to teach? Through, unfortunately, anecdotal evidence, I'd say no.
People say that they wasted their talent because their talent would be better rewarded in the private sector. Sadly, talent in this country is measured against financial reward. Undoubtedly arming the future generation with a brilliant education is of course infinitely rewarding, just not financially.
Sadly a balance somewhere needs to be found between making teaching a worthwhile profession. I suppose the problem it has as a profession is that it is just viewed as cushy, or as a cop-out.
From experience, most the high street stores suffering are ones poorly managed anyway. Or offer something no one needs.
You need to read the posts in this thread, someone has already mentioned teachers pensions are self funding.
That's what teacher training and reviews are for surely?
It is indeed, which is what the teachers are getting, along with being told the minimum contribution to their pension is going up...Wait, which is basically what happens in the private sector just in a different manner ie pay cuts
Yes, high street stores are closing, i'm aware of that, and thats not just because of the climate, its also due to big stores opening in small towns and was happening WAY before the mass redundancy's started happening back in 2008.
I've lost three jobs since 2008 because of this stupid economy...Why the hell aren't they cutting bank pay? Or bank bonus worth thousands? Or wait, cutting MP wages more? No, they won;t do that will they
EDIT: And yes im aware of 15000 lloyds job cuts, however lloyds isnt just banks nowadays
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Let's talk about ethics here.. it is fundamentally wrong for teachers to stop teaching children or emergency services to stop responding for reasons of private gain. Private or Public sector workers have an absolute right to complain and raise disputes with their employers, but tax payers should not be held to ransom over their private industrial disputes.