Teachers on strike

[Deleted member 66701]

If you want a expensive, over the top pension then you should pay for it. No one is stopping anyone from opening a private pension pot.

It's not over the top though is it? The media and the government have some how managed to convince the majority of private sector workers that thier pittance of a pension is now what should be deemed as "fair" and reasonable, and that's all anyone should expect.

The real issue is how on earth have they got away with this deception and why the private sector workers have taken to the streets to give the government a kicking over it? Why was there no mass uprising when Brown raided the pension funds?

Private sector workers, on the whole, are doormats and slaves to the corporations that exploit them.

 

[wildman]

Again where can a teacher move job to? Its not like moving to a different state school will change anything, you cannot just up and leave to another company offering a better option.

You can , but it takes effort and having to admit that you can no longer rely on and leverage the average joe bloggs tax payer to get you by.

Private sector workers who lose their jobs often have to retrain in order to be bale to open up their options to other fields why should teachers not have to do the same ?

oh yes thats right because you are too comfortable leveraging the normal tax payer to the hilt !!!!!!!!!

 

[Irish_Tom]

Ah but we complain about it, go through the channels of procedure and end up lumping it or moving jobs.

I'm not saying teachers can do the same thing here, just saying how it is.

I did and thus I started looking for new employment which I gained and as a result am better off for it, so what's your point again ??

Private sector is every bit as cut throat as public especially where there are shareholders to keep happy.

The point is, in the private sector if you're a graphic designer (like me) and you don't like your job you leave one design agency and go to another. If you're a teacher you can't leave one school and go to another because the same pay and conditions will be applied.

You could argue that they could change career rather than job but to me that's a bit facetious.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Indeed, with their companies money. Not the taxpayers. Get it?

With their employers money.

 

[gropingmantis]

You can , but it takes effort and having to admit that you can no longer rely on and leverage the average joe bloggs tax payer to get you by.

Private sector workers who lose their jobs often have to retrain in order to be bale to open up their options to other fields why should teachers not have to do the same ?

oh yes thats right because you are too comfortable leveraging the normal tax payer to the hilt !!!!!!!!!

Riiight and with all these teachers leaving to retrain and enter new careers who will be training them..oh wait NOBODY.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

As i said earlier, i have been on a pay freeze for 18months and no sign of it ending. Pension contributions were stopped before i started so i have a private pension as well as my government pension scheme from when i worked directly in education.

So what are you doing about it? Or are you just rolling over and letting them tickle you tummy.

"good boy, good boy"!

 

[RDM]

As has been stated, the private sector does not pay towards their pension

They do. Where do you think the employers contributions come from?

At the end of the day people are living longer which makes pensions more expensive. This needs to be addressed. In the private sector it is being addressed by higher contributions, longer working period, lower pay outs. It seems that the public sector wants to have it addressed by someone else paying more for their pensions.

 

[Danthus]

The usual right wing tripe!

I don't see you moaning about other heads of organisations getting large salaries. Double standards.

I don't care less what the private sector pays its staff.

And lets be accurate here, I was talking about the remuneration of a Union leader.

 

[Raumarik]

Many private pension schemes have been poorly managed, it seems odd to drive down public sector pensions to match these schemes rather than try to boost the private ones with proper legislation. The banks, financial ombudsman and governments caused this mess, I dont' see why public sector workers and students should be used as a scapegoat.

Public sector workers are tax payers too, we don't want money wasted but I'm happy to increase my pension contribution if there is a REAL shortfall on my pension, but the likelyhood is that there isn't and it's still 25+ years before I can draw on that pension anyway.

Change the pension scheme for those entering it - but leave it as is for those in it or at least give them the option of increasing contributions to keep the current entitlement where there is a shortfall on their own, personal pension (not on the huge mismanaged pot).

 

[platypus]

...???

So what the hell are you arguing?

Just because public sector workers are also involved in bailing it out, should private sector workers be happy with doing so?

 

[Gaygle]

whilst disrupting education to children and forcing parents to take holiday or pay for child care

The point of a strike is to have an impact. If there was no impact, there would be no pressure on the Government, if there is no pressure on the Government, there would be no change in their course of action and the entire thing would be pointless.

Hence why train strikes happen at rush hours and postal strikes happen at Christmas.

 

[Delvis]

As i said earlier, i have been on a pay freeze for 18months and no sign of it ending. Pension contributions were stopped before i started so i have a private pension as well as my government pension scheme from when i worked directly in education.

Teachers are not the only ones being affected. They need to realise this.

That's the point, you signed a contract stating this, they did not, they signed a contract with a set % of contributions. THEN they signed another saying their pay will be freezed to help the climate...They are now being told 'hey, that contract you signed is now void, we want you to pay more, work more, work longer, and get less!!! Sounds great eh!'.

I'm aware that the private sector has this, i've worked in both and suffered from both

 

[platypus]

With their employers money.

Yes, exactly. Money that has come out of profits generated by their company/employers. Not taxpayers money. So what?

 

[platypus]

The point of a strike is to have an impact. If there was no impact, there would be no pressure on the Government, if there is no pressure on the Government, there would be no change in their course of action and the entire thing would be pointless.

Hence why train strikes happen at rush hours and postal strikes happen at Christmas.

Do you honestly think this strike will have any positive effect? The only likely outcome is that private sector workers will - wrongly - hate public sector workers a little more or those who were disposed towards the teachers problems before hand will resent them a little bit more.

 

[Vonhelmet]

How about the people who actually screwed the hole up in the first place? It's not the teachers' fault that they over estimated is it

So you suggest that the money comes from the government bodies - and ultimately the government - who set up the final salary schemes for the public sector workers?

So that money has to come out of the budget?

And is thus paid for by everyone?

While you've said the schemes are self-funding?

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Danthus]

He means all those nasty bankers, even though the real issue is one of spending by Labour.

 

[topshot]

So what are you doing about it? Or are you just rolling over and letting them tickle you tummy.

"good boy, good boy"!

What do you suggest? leave and get another job from the millions that are out there?

Its happening up and down the country, cuts/changes have to be made that doesnt mean i like it.

 

[Delvis]

So you suggest that the money comes from the government bodies - and ultimately the government - who set up the final salary schemes for the public sector workers?

So that money has to come out of the budget?

And is thus paid for by everyone?

While you've said the schemes are self-funding?

Hmmmmmmm.

Did I say it was self funding? Quote my post saying exactly that.

have you seen an MP's wage, have you seen the amount they can claim for? They can cliam for wiping their arse and flushing the toilet without anyone in expenses batting an eye lid

 

[Vonhelmet]

The point of a strike is to have an impact. If there was no impact, there would be no pressure on the Government, if there is no pressure on the Government, there would be no change in their course of action and the entire thing would be pointless.

Hence why train strikes happen at rush hours and postal strikes happen at Christmas.

Except only a third of people have any sympathy with teachers, judging by opinion polls, so it's more likely to create the "Sort these arses out!" pressure, than the "Please capitulate with their demands!" pressure.

 

[Danthus]

Miss Blower's basic pay rose by almost £9,000 to £103,000, while her package of pay and benefits increased by more than £13,000 to £140,000 – up 10.4 per cent.
The increase is more than double the rate of inflation and four times the 2.3 per cent received by classroom teachers last year.
The NUT's accounts also reveal that union members funded a 16 per cent increase in contributions to Miss Blower's gold-plated pension last year. The union paid £26,000 into her pension pot – 25 per cent of her salary, and four times the typical level in the private sector.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rease-teachers-union-chief.html#ixzz1QlFTFXwr

I am sure it will be dismissed at it was in the Mail.